Catastrophic English: R Is For Roma

R Is For Roma

The Roma people of Europe provide mute testimony that European History in the 1st millennium is a dark secret and that the story of European Civilization in the 2nd millennium is intrinsically a story of barbarism.

The Romani Archives and Documentation Centre [Radoc.net Created: 2003-05-05] published an unexpurgated Chronology of Significant Dates in Romani History.

This unexpurgated chronology has since disappeared from the web and [very strangely] is no longer accessible via The Wayback Machine.

WayBack

http://web.archive.org/web/20040908144722/http://radoc.net/chronology.html

However, the unexpurgated chronology is still available on Archive.is and historians are advised to read this document and secure a reference copy in their archives.

Archive-is

http://archive.is/eISXS

Having personally witnessed the European Apartheid System in full flow in Eastern Europe during the 1990s it’s very understandable that European Civilization prefers to manage a sanitised version of 2nd millennium history.

The origins of the European Apartheid System have been traced back to the early years of the 2nd millennium when Christian records document a class of “untouchables”.

The demonyms of the Romani people, Lom and Dom share the same etymological origin, reflecting Sanskrit ḍoma “a man of low caste, living by singing and music”

Tsinganoi
In much of continental Europe, Romanies are known by names cognate to the Greek term τσιγγάνοι (tsinganoi):
….
The name originates with Byzantine Greek ἀτσίγγανοι (atsinganoi, Latin adsincani) or ἀθίγγανοι (athinganoi, literally “untouchables”), a term applied to the sect of the Melchisedechians.

The Adsincani appear in an 11th-century text preserved in Mt Athos, The Life of Saint George the Athonite (written in the Georgian language), as “a Samaritan people, descendants of Simon the Magician, named Adsincani, who were renowned sorcerers and villains”.

In the text, emperor Constantine Monomachos employs the Adsincani to exterminate wild animals, who were destroying the game in the imperial park of Philopation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Romani_people

The European Apartheid System then slowly gathered momentum.

ca. 1200 Athanasius, Patriarch of Constantinople, instructs the Byzantine clergy to forbid their parishioners from associating with Athinganoi “because they teach devilish things”.

1340s Slavery begins in the Ottoman-controlled Balkans.

1471 Swiss law banishes Romanies from the country.

1478 Romanies are imprisoned and tortured in the Spanish Inquisition.

1493 Italian law banishes Romanies from Milan.

1496 The German Reichstag Assembly accuses Romanies of being spies, carriers of the bubonic plague, and traitors to Christendom.

1498 Romanies are ordered to be expelled from the German-speaking territories in the Holy Roman Empire. Three are transported to the Caribbean with Columbus on his third voyage.

1499 The Pragmatica of the Roman Catholic Kings orders the expulsion of Romanies from Spain.

1500 Emperor Maximillian orders all Romanies out of Germany by Easter. The first report of a Romani presence in Russia.

1504 A French law banishes Romanies from that country.

RADOC – A Chronology of Significant Dates in Romani History
http://archive.is/eISXS

The overtly genocidal period of the European Apartheid System appears to have lasted from 1510 to 1945 i.e. 435 years.

1510 Switzerland orders the death penalty for Romanies apprehended in that country.

1514 Switzerland orders “Gypsy hunts” as a means of urging Romanies to leave the country.

1661 In Germany, Elector Georg II of Saxony orders “Gypsy hunts” as a means of exterminating the population.

1835 A hunter in the Rheinland records the murder of “a Gypsy woman and her suckling baby” in his list of kills for November 11th.

1945 In January the Russian liberating army enters Auschwitz, and finds one Romani survivor there. The war crimes trials at Nuremberg begin in October, although no Romanies are called to testify in their own behalf. Current estimates place Romani losses in the Holocaust as high as one and a half million.

1947 At the Nuremberg military tribunal former SS General Otto Ohlendorf states that in the killing campaigns, “there was no difference between Gypsies and Jews.” As late as this year, Romani survivors from the camps are afraid to show themselves publicly and remain hidden in the abandoned concentration camps, because pre-Nazi laws are still in effect which would put them back into detention centers.

1950 Romanies are denied war crimes reparations claims by the Whrttemburg Ministry of the Interior, which claims that “Gypsies were persecuted under the National Socialist regime not for any racial reason, but because of an antisocial criminal record.”

RADOC – A Chronology of Significant Dates in Romani History
http://archive.is/eISXS

Clearly, one of the many hard questions historians should address when studying the European Apartheid System is: Who arrived first – The Roma or the Christians?

The most honest [but indirect] answer to this question appears in the Historical Dictionary of the Gypsies which states “there is no sure trace of their passage across the Middle East.”

Describing the early history of the Gypsies is like putting together a jig-saw puzzle when some of the pieces are missing and parts of another puzzle have been put into the box.

The Gypsies suddenly appeared in Europe speaking an Indian language, yet there is no sure trace of their passage across the Middle East.

Historical Dictionary of the Gypsies (Romanies) – Donald Kenrick – 2007
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0810854686/
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0810854686/

The Romani (also spelled Romany), or Roma, are a traditionally nomadic ethnic group, living mostly in Europe and the Americas and originating from the northern regions of the Indian subcontinent, presumably from where the states Rajasthan, Haryana, and Punjab exist today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

Curiously, the mainstream narrative that “Gypsies suddenly appeared in Europe speaking an Indian language” ignores the architectural evidence that indicates monasteries suddenly appeared in Europe after the Heinsohn Horizon [in the 920s].

The Monastery of Great Lavra is the first monastery built on Mount Athos.

The founding of the monastery in AD 963 by Athanasius the Athonite marks the beginning of the organized monastic life at Mount Athos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lavra_%28Athos%29

Mount Athos is a mountain and peninsula in northern Greece and an important centre of eastern orthodox monasticism.

Mount Athos is home to 20 monasteries under the direct jurisdiction of the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Athos

Monastery of Great Lavra

Even though “there is no sure trace of their passage across the Middle East” the Historical Dictionary of the Gypsies happily conjures up a Roma land migration route from India with the Roma arriving in Constantinople around 1050 AD.

The Roma Route from India

Historical Dictionary of the Gypsies (Romanies) – Donald Kenrick – 2007

Wikipedia conjures up a different Roma land migration route which has the Roma arriving in northern Greece [300 years later] during the 14th-century.

Expansion of the Romani community through Europe

The migration of the Romani people through the Middle East and Northern Africa to Europe. The key shows the century of arrival in that area, e.g. S.XII is the 12th century

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Romani_people

This variability in timing and routing very much depends upon which source references are selected by the compilers of the various envisioned land migrations.

Dictionary - 1050

Historical Dictionary of the Gypsies (Romanies) – Donald Kenrick – 2007

Wikipedia 11th Century

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Romani_people

Wikipedia First Reports

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Romani_people

RADOC 1322

RADOC – A Chronology of Significant Dates in Romani History
http://archive.is/eISXS

Perhaps the strangest aspect of these envisioned land migrations is the default assumption that the selected first reports of the Roma people in a particular country can be interpreted as proof positive for their envisioned land migrations.

There appears to be a absence of critical analysis that considers the possibility that these selected first reports simply reflect the migration of writing skills, record keeping and/or racial prejudice across Europe.

First Reports

RADOC – A Chronology of Significant Dates in Romani History
http://archive.is/eISXS

This echoes the absence of critical analysis when it comes to considering the claims that Christianity had conquered vast swathes of Europe by 600 AD.

Christianity in Europe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christianity

The genetic evidence suggests the Roma people in Europe became a “founder population that originated in north/northwestern India” about 60 generations ago [1,500 / 25 = 60].

Our analyses based on genome-wide data from 13 Romani groups collected across Europe suggest that the Romani diaspora constitutes a single initial founder population that originated in north/northwestern India ~1.5 thousand years ago (kya).

Time of the demographic events was estimated with a generation time of 25 years.

Bayes Factor

Reconstructing the Population History of European Romani from Genome-wide Data
Isabel Mendizabal, Oscar Lao, Urko M. Marigorta, Andreas Wollstein, Leonor Gusmão, Vladimir Ferak, Mihai Ioana, Albena Jordanova, Radka Kaneva, Anastasia Kouvatsi, Vaidutis Kučinskas, Halyna Makukh, Andres Metspalu, Mihai G. Netea, Rosario de Pablo, Horolma Pamjav, Dragica Radojkovic, Sarah J.H. Rolleston, Jadranka Sertic, Milan Macek Jr., David Comas, Manfred Kayser
Current Biology 22, 2342–2349, December 18, 2012

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2012.10.039

Each of these 60 generations probably represents somewhere between 20 and 25 years.

A familial generation is a group of living beings constituting a single step in the line of descent from an ancestor.

In developed nations the average familial generation length is in the high 20s and has even reached 30 years in some nations.
….
Conversely, generation length has changed little and remains in the low 20s in less developed nations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation

Mother’s Mean Age At First Birth

Bangladesh 18.1 Note: median age at first birth among women 25-29 (2011 est.)

India 19.9 (2005/06 est.)

Greece 31.2 (2010 est.)

CIA – The World FactBook – Mother’s Mean Age At First Birth
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2256.html

Therefore, it seems probable that the Roma “founder population” was established sometime between 510 and 820 AD although the current data from Bangladesh [18.1 years] suggests this “founder population” could have been established in 924 AD i.e. at the Heinsohn Horizon.

Roma 60 Generations

See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2016/05/12/the-roman-time-line-and-the-heinsohn-horizon/

The likelihood that the isolation of the Roma population in Europe resulted from a natural catastrophe is further underlined by genetic studies that have discovered this “founder population” was actually “a conglomerate of genetically isolated founder populations”.

Data provided by the social sciences as well as genetic research suggest that the 8-10 million Roma (Gypsies) who live in Europe today are best described as a conglomerate of genetically isolated founder populations.

The pattern emerging from genetic research is that of a conglomerate of founder populations which extend across Europe but at the same time differ within individual countries, and whose demographic history, internal structure and relationships are poorly understood.

Genetic Studies of the Roma (Gypsies): A Review
Luba Kalaydjieva, David Gresham and Francesc Calafell
BMC Medical Genetics (2001) 2:5

http://bmcmedgenet.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2350-2-5

Even genetic studies that are fully integrated with the envisioned land migration narrative concede there is “evidence of secondary founding bottlenecks and small population sizes, together with isolation and strong endogamy.”

Conclusions
The present study constitutes the most comprehensive survey available thus far on the genome-wide characterization and demographic history of the European Romani.

Our data suggest that European Romani share a common genetic origin, which can be broadly ascribed to north/northwestern India around 1.5 kya.

After a modest genetic contribution from the populations encountered through their rapid diaspora from India toward the European continent, our data indicate that the Romani dispersed from the Balkan area around 0.9 kya.

We further observe evidence of secondary founding bottlenecks and small population sizes, together with isolation and strong endogamy.

Reconstructing the Population History of European Romani from Genome-wide Data
Isabel Mendizabal, Oscar Lao, Urko M. Marigorta, Andreas Wollstein, Leonor Gusmão, Vladimir Ferak, Mihai Ioana, Albena Jordanova, Radka Kaneva, Anastasia Kouvatsi, Vaidutis Kučinskas, Halyna Makukh, Andres Metspalu, Mihai G. Netea, Rosario de Pablo, Horolma Pamjav, Dragica Radojkovic, Sarah J.H. Rolleston, Jadranka Sertic, Milan Macek Jr., David Comas, Manfred Kayser
Current Biology 22, 2342–2349, December 18, 2012

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2012.10.039

Overall, there is a growing body of evidence that indicates the mainstream manuscript history for the 1st millennium is neither accurate nor settled.

UPDATE 23 July 2016

Genetic evidence suggests Indian DNA arrived in Australia about 141 generations ago.

Setting the years per generation to 23 years suggests this Indian DNA arrived in Australia around 1,227 BCE i.e. during the age of the Sea Peoples.

Much more surprising was the discovery of the more recent genetic mix with people from India, from which Australian Aborigines derive an estimated 11% of their DNA.

Computer simulations estimated that the first interbreeding occurred 141 generations ago;

Indians and Australian Aborigines interbred 4,200 years ago, sharing DNA (and Dingoes)
Tom Martinscroft

http://www.abroadintheyard.com/indians-australian-aborigines-interbred-4200-years-ago-sharing-dna-and-dingoes/

India-Australia

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6 Responses to Catastrophic English: R Is For Roma

  1. carol smith says:

    I would have thought the opposite and a date of 1500 years ago would fit snugly into the 5th and 6th century AD upheavals that witnessed the collapse of Rome but most importantly, the collapse of Gupta India. The untouchables were the manual working class and Roma are renowned for their skills in woodwork etc. Hence, there is no way they could have escaped from India during a strong period of central government. The situation at the end of the Gupta phase allowed them to infiltrate Iran and the top of Mesopotamia where they would have ended up in what is now Turkey. Therefore they came into contact with the Islams and may have preferred to live in the region ruled by Byzantine – but even there they were unsafe and they appear in eastern Europe at about the time, or slightly before, the Ottomans advanced through the Balkans. As itinerants they need not have been mentioned by the elite but would have fulfilled a role in society as gypsies have for most of their history. They obviously do not fit into the modern world and their skills are largely redundant when you can go into B&Q for your tools and things. I did at one time think they may have been driven forwards by the Mongol armies but in that case they would have been swamped so it is more than likely they were in Iran and Turkey and that sort of region for a long period of time.

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  3. John Smith says:

    IN the Beginning….

    as told by Richard Kelly Hoskins:

    The story of the International Trade Cartel. Before a merchant can go to a foreign land and buy and sell he must do two things. First, he must make arrangements with the priests of that land so that their god will not order his followers to kill him. Second, he must hire a king for a body guard…

    http://www.richardhoskins.com/BKBEGI.HTM

    Definetely PROHIBITED and controversial in nature. Read at you own risk.

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  6. malagabay says:

    Europe is “United in Diversity”.

    See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2016/06/11/on-the-road-to-victory/

    Except [of course] when you’re an “expendable nuisance”.

    Just outside of Paris a few dozen Roma families were terrified because at any unspecified moment cops were going to swoop in, bulldoze the camp, confiscate or destroy their meager possessions and render them homeless while providing no housing alternative.

    This is totally normal in France.

    What’s unusual was this: The camp had been allowed to stand for five whole years.

    That’s an eternity in Roma time! Last year 60% of all Roma were forcibly evicted at least once.

    The key word there is, “forcibly”.

    Perhaps the best analogy in the Western hemisphere for Europe’s 10 million Roma (or Romani, or Gypsies) is the aboriginals or Native Americans.

    Like those groups, the Roma are viewed as an expendable nuisance who time has passed by.

    France’s Roma are consigned to such essentially hellish, noisy, dirty, dangerous places – literally on the highway shoulder, under the bridge, next to the dump – just like White Trash, and their Colored counterparts, everywhere.

    The difference is: the Roma get run off time after time and, if you think about it, that’s a really huge difference.

    The Roma face more discrimination than any other group in France.

    It doesn’t matter if they are citizens or not.

    They are banned from schools, state-run nurseries, denied hospital care and basically excluded from any and all government services.

    He then took out of his suit pocket tax forms.

    He wanted me to see that he had paid hundreds and hundreds of euros in local taxes.

    Why shouldn’t he be able to stay – he’s paying taxes, but what is he buying?

    Inside A French Roma Camp Probably Already Demolished By Cops
    Ramin Mazaheri – 4 June 2017
    http://thesaker.is/inside-a-french-roma-camp-probably-already-demolished-by-cops/


    And [of course] like everything else that “cannot be renegotiated”.

    Less than an hour after President Donald Trump said he would withdraw the US from the Paris climate pact and seek to renegotiate better terms for American workers, Italy, German and France have issued a joint statement saying the pact cannot be renegotiated.

    “We deem the momentum generated in Paris in December 2015 irreversible and we firmly believe that the Paris Agreement cannot be renegotiated, since it is a vital instrument for our planet, societies and economies,” the leaders of the three countries said in a joint statement as reported by Reuters.

    Italy, France, Germany Say Paris Accord Can Not Be Renegotiated
    Zero Hedge – 1 June 2017

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-01/italy-france-germany-say-paris-accord-wont-be-renegotiated

    So [of course] the punishments will continue until morale improves.

    With negotiations between the UK and EU likely to formally begin on June 19, Bloomberg reports that Brexit Secretary David Davis has pre-emptively lashed out at EU officials, threatening that “The UK will quit talks on leaving the European Union unless the bloc drops its demands for a divorce payment as high as EUR100bn.”

    UK Threatens To Quit Brexit Talks Over Excessive ‘Divorce Payment’ Demands
    Zero Hedge – 22 May 2017

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-21/uk-threatens-quit-brexit-talks-over-excessive-divorce-payment-demands

    “The Eurogroup held an in-depth discussion on the sustainability of Greece’s public debt but did not reach an overall agreement,” said Jeroen Dijsselbloem, the Dutch finance minister who presides over meetings with his euro-area counterparts, and who again failed to reach a solution after another hardline stance by his German colleague, Wolfgang Schauble, prevented any potential concessions.

    Greek Debt Relief Deal Fails In Last Minute, As Germany, IMF Clash Again
    Zero Hedge – 22 May 2017

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-22/greek-debt-relief-deal-fails-last-minute-germany-imf-clash

    It feels like Europe is rapidly approaching the end of another rinse and repeat cycle.

    The League of Nations was an intergovernmental organisation founded on 10 January 1920 as a result of the Paris Peace Conference that ended the First World War.

    It was the first international organisation whose principal mission was to maintain world peace.

    The onset of the Second World War showed that the League had failed its primary purpose, which was to prevent any future world war.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Nations#Demise_and_legacy

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