Catastrophic English: Lithuanian Linguistics

Lithuanian Linguistics

The Lithuanian language is a linguistic pandora’s box that the mainstream has buried under several layers of “glottochronological speculations” and “reconstructed proto-language” invention.

Lithuanian language

Lithuanian (lietuvių kalba) is the official state language of Lithuania and is recognized as one of the official languages of the European Union.

There are about 2.9 million native Lithuanian speakers in Lithuania and about 200,000 abroad.

Lithuanian is a Baltic language, related to Latvian.

It is written in a Latin alphabet.

The Lithuanian language is often said to be the most conservative living Indo-European language, retaining many features of Proto-Indo-European now lost in other Indo-European languages.

Proto-Balto-Slavic is a reconstructed proto-language descending from Proto-Indo-European (PIE).

From Proto-Balto-Slavic, the later Balto-Slavic languages are thought to have developed, composed of sub-branches Baltic and Slavic, and including modern Latvian, Lithuanian, Polish, Ukrainian, Russian and Serbo-Croatian among others.


Lithuanian, being the “most conservative” Indo-European language, has many Sanskrit affinities.

Lithuanian   Sanskrit   English
sūnus        sūnus      son
avis         avis       sheep
dūmas        dhūmas     fumes, smoke
antras       antaras    second, the other
vilkas       vṛkas      wolf
ratas        rathas     carriage
senis        sanas      old
vyras        vīras      man
gentys       jánas      genus,race
mėnesis      masa       month
dantis       dantas     teeth
naktis       naktis     night
ugnis        agni       fire
sėdime       sīdati     sits down


Therefore, one of the uncomfortable questions lurking in this Lithuanian pandora’s box is: Which came first: Lithuanian or the Roma people?

The oldest surviving manuscript in Lithuanian (around 1503)

By the 14th century, the Romanies had reached the Balkans and Bohemia; by the 15th century, Germany, France, Italy, Spain and Portugal; and by the 16th century, Russia, Denmark, Scotland and Sweden.

Expansion of the Romani community through Europe

Although shrouded in “reconstructed proto-language” and “glottochronological speculations” there are suggestions the Roma people came first because the “differentiation between Lithuanian and Latvian started after AD 800” i.e. long before the hypothesised 16th century land migration of the Roma people into the Baltic region.

According to some glottochronological speculations,[citation needed] the Eastern Baltic languages split from the Western Baltic ones between AD 400 and AD 600.

The Greek geographer Ptolemy had already written of two Baltic tribe/nations by name, the Galindai and Sudinoi (Γαλίνδαι, Σουδινοί) in the 2nd century AD.

The differentiation between Lithuanian and Latvian started after AD 800; for a long period, they could be considered dialects of a single language.

At a minimum, transitional dialects existed until the 14th or 15th century and perhaps as late as the 17th century. Also, the 13th- and 14th-century occupation of the western part of the Daugava basin (closely coinciding with the territory of modern Latvia) by the German Sword Brethren had a significant influence on the languages’ independent development.

These suggestions are further reinforced by the mainstream observation that the “extraordinarily conservative” Lithuanian language retains “many archaic features otherwise found only in ancient languages such as Sanskrit or Ancient Greek.”

Among Indo-European languages, Lithuanian is extraordinarily conservative, retaining many archaic features otherwise found only in ancient languages such as Sanskrit or Ancient Greek.

This is where the narrative becomes really interesting because lurking underneath all of this frenetic mainstream hand waving there is a really uncomfortable question:
Which came first: Ancient Greek or the Roma people?

Ancient Greek

Ancient Greek includes the forms of Greek used in ancient Greece and the ancient world from around the 9th century BCE to the 6th century CE.

It is often roughly divided into the Archaic period (9th to 6th centuries BCE), Classical period (5th and 4th centuries BCE), and Hellenistic period (3rd century BCE to 6th century CE).

Unfortunately, the mainstream end date for Ancient Greek is very fuzzy.

Scholars and historians are divided as to what event signals the end of the Hellenistic era.

The Hellenistic period may be seen to end either with the final conquest of the Greek heartlands by Rome in 146 BC following the Achean War, with the final defeat of the Ptolemaic Kingdom at the Battle of Actium in 31 BC, or even the move by Roman emperor Constantine the Great of the capital of the Roman Empire to Constantinople in 330 AD.

“Hellenistic” is distinguished from “Hellenic” in that the first encompasses the entire sphere of direct ancient Greek influence, while the latter refers to Greece itself.

Similarly, the the mainstream start date for Ancient Greek is very fuzzy.

It is antedated in the second millennium BCE by Mycenaean Greek.

Mycenaean Greek is the most ancient attested form of the Greek language, on the Greek mainland, Crete and Cyprus in the Mycenaean Greece (16th to 12th centuries BCE), before the hypothesised Dorian invasion, often cited as the terminus post quem for the coming of the Greek language to Greece.

Terminus post quem (“limit after which”, often abbreviated to TPQ) and terminus ante quem (“limit before which”) specify the known limits of dating for events.

A terminus post quem is the earliest time the event may have happened, and a terminus ante quem is the latest.

Even the “hypothesised Dorian invasion” that marks the [curiously phrased] “coming of the Greek language to Greece” is extremely fuzzy because “accounts vary as to the Dorians’ place of origin”.

The Dorian invasion is a concept devised by historians of Ancient Greece to explain the replacement of pre-classical dialects and traditions in southern Greece by the ones that prevailed in Classical Greece.

Accounts vary as to the Dorians’ place of origin.

They are almost always referred to as just “the Dorians”, as they are called in the earliest literary mention of them in the Odyssey, where they already can be found inhabiting the island of Crete.

Doric or Dorian was a Ancient Greek dialect.

Its variants were spoken in the southern and eastern Peloponnese, as well as in Sicily, Epirus, Macedonia, Southern Italy, Crete, Rhodes, some islands in the southern Aegean Sea and some cities on the south east coast of Anatolia.

This profound fuzziness surrounding the origins of the Greek language conveniently obscures another awkward question:
When did Greek acquire it’s Sanskrit affinities, Persian affinities and “many archaic features otherwise found only in ancient languages such as Sanskrit”?

History of the Anglo-Saxons – Volume II – Sharon Turner – 1840

However, this profound fuzziness surrounding the origins of the Greek language disappears if [contrary to the mainstream narrative] the claimed Empire of Alexander the Great actually masks the westward migration of the Roma people into Persia and Europe.

Alexander’s army crossed the Hellespont in 334 BC with approximately 48,100 soldiers, 6,100 cavalry and a fleet of 120 ships with crews numbering 38,000, drawn from Macedon and various Greek city-states, mercenaries, and feudally raised soldiers from Thrace, Paionia, and Illyria.

(However, Arrian, who used Ptolemy as a source, said that Alexander crossed with more than 5,000 horse and 30,000 foot; Diodorus quoted the same totals, but listed 5,100 horse and 32,000 foot. Diodorus also referred to an advance force already present in Asia, which Polyaenus, in his Stratagems of War (5.44.4), said numbered 10,000 men.)

He showed his intent to conquer the entirety of the Persian Empire by throwing a spear into Asian soil and saying he accepted Asia as a gift from the gods.

The Roma Empire

If this was the case then there should be other [non-linguistic] evidence supporting the concept of India in Greece

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8 Responses to Catastrophic English: Lithuanian Linguistics

  1. The biggest problem they have is the creationist model that has ‘humans’ coming out of Leakey’s Oduvai Gorge and spreading outwards over the planet. This assumptions drives their confusion to distraction, I suspect.

  2. 5678 says:

    Another hushed-up theory is about the orthognathic (=european, not skin color-based categorization) race origin in Greece:

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  4. Jürgen Kieser says:

    A little supplementation:

    Lithuanian Sanskrit English Old English Old German
    sūnus sūnus son sunu sunu
    avis avis sheep ewe ewe
    dūmas dhūmas fumes, smoke drosm doum
    antras antaras the other oder ander
    vilkas vṛkas wolf wulf wolf
    ratas rathas carriage rad (wheel) rad (wheel)
    senis sanas old sint (since) sint (since)
    vyras vīras man war war
    gentys jánas genus,race cynt kund
    mėnesis masa month monath monat
    dantis dantas teeth tands tande
    naktis naktis night naht naht
    ugnis agni fire ael eit
    sėdime sīdati sits down sitteth sidilet

  5. malagabay says:

    Thank you.

    From my limited knowledge I’ve added some Spanish affinities plus some Latin translations via Google.

    Spanish        Latin        Lithuanian Sanskrit English      Old German
    hijo           filius       sūnus      sūnus    son          sunu
    oveja          oves         avis       avis     sheep        ewe
    humo/fumo      fumi         dūmas      dhūmas   fumes, smoke doum
    detrás(behind) aliud(other) antras     antaras  the other    ander
    lobo           lupus        vilkas     vṛkas    wolf         wolf
    rueda(wheel)   rotae        ratas      rathas   carriage     rad (wheel)
    senil(senile)  senilis      senis      sanas    old          sint(since)
    varón(male)                 vyras      vīras    man          war
    género         genus        gentys     jánas    genus,race   kund
    mes            mense        mėnesis    masa     month        monat
    diente         dentium      dantis     dantas   teeth        tande
    noche          noctis       naktis     naktis   night        naht
    fuego          ignis        ugnis      agni     fire         eit
    siéntate       sedet        sėdime     sīdati   sits down    sidilet

    European languages are hugely incestuous.

    But the mainstream darlings [Greek and Latin] appear to be hallmarked as Sanskrit derivatives.

    Literature in Sanskrit begins with the spoken or sung literature of the Vedas from the mid-2nd millennium BCE, and continues with the oral tradition of the Sanskrit epics of Iron Age India; the golden age of Classical Sanskrit literature dates to Late Antiquity (roughly the 3rd to 8th centuries CE). Indian literary production saw a late bloom in the 11th century before declining after 1100 CE, hastened by the Islamic conquest.

    At the beginning of Greek literature stand the two monumental works of Homer, the Iliad and the Odyssey. Though dates of composition vary, these works were fixed around 800 BC or after.

    Latin literature includes the essays, histories, poems, plays, and other writings written in the Latin language. Beginning around the 3rd century BC, it took two centuries to become a dominant literature of ancient Rome,[citation needed] with many educated Romans still reading
    and writing in Ancient Greek, as late as Marcus Aurelius (121–180 AD).

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