Close To The Edge


Having given up all hope of finding intelligent life in the Land of Plate Tectonics I anticipated I would only encounter amber blobs [ambling aimlessly around in an azure eternity] when I entered the Land of Paleogeology.


Avalonia was a microcontinent in the Paleozoic era.

However, I was nicely surprised when I encountered intelligent life and very surprised when I stumbled across a reconstruction of the North Atlantic that echoed my personal perspective.




But things are very weird in the Land of Paleogeology when it comes to dates.

The original dating [based upon sea floor spreading] indicated:

1) Africa split away from North America about 180 million years ago [coloured dark blue].
2) Europe split away from North America about 120 million years ago [coloured green].


However, these dates changed significantly with the latest mainstream revisions:

1) Africa split away from North America sometime between 180 and 280 million years ago.
2) Europe gradually split away from North America between 60 and 120 million years ago.


After all what’s 100 million years between friends.

These changes bring the Africa-North America split within spitting range of the “Early Mesozoic” and [more importantly] the Permian–Triassic Extinction Event [252 million years ago] when [amongst other things] “up to 96% of all marine species” became extinct.

The Mesozoic Era is an interval of geological time from about 252 to 66 million years ago.

It is also called the Age of Reptiles, a phrase introduced by the 19th century paleontologist Gideon Mantell who viewed it as dominated by diapsids such as Iguanodon, Megalosaurus, Plesiosaurus and Pterodactylus.

This Era is also called from a paleobotanist view the Age of Conifers.

The era began in the wake of the Permian–Triassic extinction event, the largest well-documented mass extinction in Earth’s history, and ended with the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event, another mass extinction which is known for having killed off non-avian dinosaurs, as well as other plant and animal species.


The Permian–Triassic (P–Tr) extinction event, colloquially known as the Great Dying, the End Permian or the Great Permian Extinction, occurred about 252 Ma (million years) ago, forming the boundary between the Permian and Triassic geologic periods, as well as the Paleozoic and Mesozoic eras.

It is the Earth’s most severe known extinction event, with up to 96% of all marine species and 70% of terrestrial vertebrate species becoming extinct.

Aligning these events makes sense because when the Atlantic Ocean began to open up the adjoining inland seas began to drain off into the new ocean.

This draining event helps to explain the massive die-off in marine species [especially if the inland seas were predominantly fresh water] and the stranding of seals in [what are now] inland lakes.

The draining of the inland seas is shown as a dramatic plunge in the Global Sea Level [that bottoms out around 250 million years ago] by Hallam et al – 1983 [red line – below].






However, the mainstream belief systems make it very difficult for them to explicitly acknowledge that the fish fossils they’ve been busily collecting [since 1830] have [only] been found on dry land.

The first fossil fishes that were discovered were ostracoderms. The Swiss anatomist Louis Agassiz received some fossils of bony armored fish from Scotland in the 1830s.

He had a hard time classifying them as they did not resemble any living creature. He compared them at first with extant armored fish such as catfish and sturgeons but later realizing that they had no movable jaws, classified them in 1844 into a new group “ostracoderms”.

Fossils of sea creatures are found in rock layers high above sea level.

High & Dry Sea Creatures – Flood Evidence Number One
Answers in Genesis – Dr. Andrew A. Snelling – 7 Dec 2007

This mainstream cognitive dissonance extends to the drainage channels that were etched into the margins of the continental shelves when the inland seas drained off into the oceans.


A submarine canyon is a steep-sided valley cut into the seabed of the continental slope, sometimes extending well onto the continental shelf, having nearly vertical walls, and occasionally having canyon wall heights of up to 5 km, from canyon floor to canyon rim, as with the Great Bahama Canyon.

Many canyons have been found at depths greater than 2 km below sea level. Some may extend seawards across continental shelves for hundreds of kilometres before reaching the abyssal plain.

Many mechanisms have been proposed for the formation of submarine canyons.

Their primary causes have been subject to debate since the early 1930s.

The Porcupine Trough and Gollum Channel System [to the South West of Ireland] indicates that the initial draining of the European inland seas was a massive event triggered by the splitting of Europe from North America.



Click to access 1130_Dorschel_Wheeler_Geoscience2010Dublin.pdf

The Porcupine Seabight is a deep-water oceanic basin located on the continental margin in the northeastern portion of the Atlantic Ocean.

It can be found in the southwestern offshore portion of Ireland and is part of a series of interconnected basins linked to a failed rift structure associated with the opening of the Northern Atlantic Ocean.

This mainstream cognitive dissonance also prevents them from recognising that the draining of the inland seas brought to an abrupt halt [officially dated at somewhere between 3450 BC and 1200 BC] the mining and exportation of [for example] copper from Lake Superior.


It is estimated that half a billion pounds of copper were mined in tens of thousands of pits on Isle Royale and the Keweenaw Peninsula of Michigan by ancient miners over a period of a thousand years.

Carbon dating of wood timbers in the pits has dated the mining to start about 2450 BC and end abruptly at 1200 BC.

Officially, no one knows where the Michigan copper went.

All the “ancient copper culture” tools that have been found could have been manufactured from just one of the large boulders.

A placard in London’s British Museum Bronze Age axe exhibit says: “from about 2500 BC, the use of copper, formerly limited to parts of Southern Europe, suddenly swept through the rest of the Continent”.

No one seems to know where the copper in Europe came from.

Indian legends tell the mining was done by fair-haired “marine men”.

Along with wooden tools, and stone hammers, a walrus-skin bag has been found.

A huge copper boulder was found in the bottom of a deep pit raised up on solid oak timbers, still preserved in the anaerobic conditions for more than 3,000 years.

The mining appears to have ended overnight, as though they had left for the day, and never came back.

Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean
Isle Royale and Keweenaw Peninsula, c. 2400BC-1200 BC
Rocks & Rows – Sailing Routes across the Atlantic and the Copper Trade
Jay Stuart Wakefield and Reinoud M De Jonge – 2010


Interestingly, a coherent cessation of lead emissions at multiple study sites after ~5400 yr BP coincides with the onset of dry conditions found in regional paleoclimate proxy records.

After ~5000 yr BP, lead concentrations on both Isle Royale and the Keweenaw Peninsula remain at background levels until the onset of modern lead pollution ~ AD 1860.

Copper mining on Isle Royale 6500–5400 years ago identified using sediment geochemistry from McCargoe Cove, Lake Superior
David P Pompeani, Mark B Abbott, Daniel J Bain, Seth DePasqual and Matthew S Finkenbinder – The Holocene – 2015 – Vol. 25(2) 253–262

Click to access isleroyaleCuPb.pdf

Copper Island is a local name given to the northern part of the Keweenaw Peninsula (projecting northeastward into Lake Superior at the western end of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, United States of America), separated from the rest of the Keweenaw Peninsula by Portage Lake and the Keweenaw Waterway.

The Copper Country is an area in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in the United States, including all of Keweenaw County, Michigan and most of Houghton, Baraga and Ontonagon counties as well as part of Marquette County.

The area is so named as copper mining was prevalent there from 1845 until the late 1960s, with one mine (the White Pine mine) continuing through 1995.

In its heyday, the area was the world’s greatest producer of copper.

This mainstream cognitive dissonance has additionally resulted in various shades of weirdness as they struggle to explain away [and misdirect regarding] the very real fear once experienced by mariners when they sailed close to the edge of the continental shelf.

An American schoolbook by Emma Miller Bolenius published in 1919 has this introduction to the suggested reading for Columbus Day (12 October):

When Columbus lived, people thought that the earth was flat.

They believed the Atlantic Ocean to be filled with monsters large enough to devour their ships, and with fearful waterfalls over which their frail vessels would plunge to destruction.

Columbus had to fight these foolish beliefs in order to get men to sail with him.

He felt sure the earth was round.


Perhaps, one day, the inhabitants of Planet Academia will get close to the edge in a quest for knowledge.

The Flammarion engraving is a wood engraving by an unknown artist, so named because its first documented appearance is in Camille Flammarion’s 1888 book L’atmosphère: Météorologie Populaire (“The Atmosphere: Popular Meteorology”).

It has been used to represent a supposedly medieval cosmology, including a flat earth bounded by a solid and opaque sky, or firmament, and also as a metaphorical illustration of either the scientific or the mystical quests for knowledge.


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16 Responses to Close To The Edge

  1. Tim,

    This makes sense of the fear held by medieval merchant sailors of falling off the edge of the sea etc., so the parting of the ways in the Atlantic has to be the K-T event, and the LIA event the Alpide one (Carey’s term)? (My peers will dismiss me as a looney for this heresy).

    So the 635AD Japanese cedar ring anomaly is the K-T event.

    So what was Plato on about with his Timaeus and Critias and the sinking of Atlantis? Obviously pre-Roman times.

    Given academia’s tendency to fabricate history, especially in light today’s fake news meme, what if any historical account could be considered accurate or fact?

    So Atlantis could be Zealandia in the Pacific, a submerged continent or microcontinent east of Australia, and the Americas were actually joined to Europe/Africa.

    This is an interesting can of worms.

    • malagabay says:

      It certainly is “an interesting can of worms”.
      I agree that “the 635AD Japanese cedar ring anomaly” looks like a good candidate for “the K-T event” [but more digging needed]

      My guess [based upon the copper mining, the Micmac hieroglyphics…] is that Atlantis/Avalon was at the three-way rupture point that is now submerged in the North Atlantic.

      The Zealandia story needs researching… my guess is that it’s narrative connects with South America.


      • One rule of thumb I was using was working out where Roman buildings, or for that matter any ancient stone buildings like the Sphinx etc are located geologically. So if a building is constructed on outcrop dated Cretaceous, then its construction has to be post Cretaceous, obviously.

        Then I started thinking – sediments, how are these dated? Impossible but if they contain fossils, then they could be ranked in order of sequence, the theory being that fossils overlying older fossils might be derived from the older ones by evolution. Not really because it is more accurate to say that life forms are specific to a particular environment.

        So if we have a basal layer of chalk with worm like animals , and find further up in the sequence a red mud with snake fossils, then the evolutionist would conclude the snake evolved from the older worm. Wrong. Snake and worm are simply different life forms inhabiting different environments.

        And then find a fossil in a sediment does not mean the fossil lived in that sediment, but rather the animal was instantly mummified or snap-frozen or whatever the preservation process involved was, and at the same inundated with the enclosing sediment.

        Fossils are animals that were catastrophically preserved by an overwhelming irruption of preserving material.

        So the lifeforms found in the Cretaceous chalks, for example, were preserved because the deposition of the chalk stopped any further decay. The deposition has to be catastrophic as well.

        So the Egyptian monuments are built on Cretaceous sediments. Are these sediments Cretaceous because they are deposits of carbonates,, which means nothing in a dating sense, or dated according to fossil assemblages?

        I’m also interested in knowing on what outcrops all the petroglyphs are known to be carved from. Peratt et al mapped millions of the things, but no one has published a database with coordinates for them. These are provisionally dated at 10,000 years BP, and it would be interesting to know on which rocks they are found.

        Maybe the Zealandia is Churchward’s lost continent of Mu, and your Antlantean location as you specify. But then the disruption of Atlantis which occurred before the Roman times cannot then be the K-T event located at 635AD, which thus makes Atlantis post Roman.

        This leads one to question Plato’s scribblings – he was, after all, the original lefty, and this prone to faking news.

      • malagabay says:

        That’s a great way to interpret fossils.

        Atlantis/Avalon appears to be post-Roman
        i.e. the tales of Avalon – Geoffrey of Monmouth – 1136.

        The Plato problem is purely a priestly provenance issue
        i.e. Machiavellian Monasteries manuscripts.

        The oldest surviving Plato manuscript [on parchment] is officially dated 895 AD.
        i.e. The monasteries giveth and the monasteries taketh away history [and the “classics”].

        From Wikipedia:
        “Friedrich Nietzsche, amongst other scholars, called Christianity, “Platonism for the people.” Plato’s influence on Christian thought is often thought to be mediated by his major influence on Saint Augustine of Hippo, one of the most important philosophers and theologians in the history of Christianity.”

        For: “Plato’s influence on Christian thought”
        Read: “Self-serving monastic meddling in [and manufacturing of] manuscripts”

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  4. Carsten Sønderup says:

    In my youth and teens back in the 1970’s you could buy an Encyclopedia in 20 volumes and an Atlas. The great thing about old atlas’ were they were packed with information of all sorts regularly being the interesting part of the package. This one my parents bought in those days long since had the Atlas show the most recent in theory on Earths development with the expanding earth having me totally perplexed. But so was science in those days far off. 😉

    Another thing relating to copper – Heligoland off the German coast east of Schleswig-Holstein have seen copper mining. We just don’t know when. Though the findings in this book Heligoland past and present tells the tale of finding underwater copper discs made in Heligoland. Organic material on the discs were radiocarbon dated to 1140-1340 AD though this was found to be a false dating as the discs were in situ on part of Heligoland that had been submerged due to a not-registered tsunami i.e. during pre-historic days.
    This also tie in with speculation on where all the many tons of bronze came from to Denmark during the Bronze Age; it is generally believed to have originated in central/eastern Europe… Odd as we do have this copper rich island in the vicinity of Bronze Age Denmark and tin in Cornwall and Northern Europe was during the Bronze Age teeming with ships according to science…

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