Ravenna Revisited: The Deja Vu Dodo

Foreword
The good news for the Academic Acolytes is that their gainful employment is guaranteed in the short term because new discoveries must be careful shaped and retro-fitted onto the existing Etruscan Ecclesiastical Empire embroidery they call history.

The bad news for the Academic Acolytes is that the warp and weft of their underlying historical fabric is flimsy, frayed and failing.

The terms warp and weft refers to the threads that make up a loomed or woven fabric. Warp threads are the threads that run along the length of the yardage and parallel to the selvedge. Weft threads are the threads that run from selvage to selvage (side to side).

Embroidery Basics: Warp and Weft – Cheryl Fall
https://www.thespruce.com/warp-and-weft-1177681

Therefore, in the longer term, the Academic Acolytes are doomed to extinction [just like the Dodo] because their narratives [and frantic arm waving] simply don’t fly.

The Challenge
If you’ve got some time [and brain cells] to kill over a wet weekend then try getting your head around how the Etruscan Ecclesiastical Empire [and their Academic Acolytes] went about distorting and duplicating elements of Iranian history.

The central challenge is to unscramble the historical narrative that’s been mangled and mutilated to accommodate the Western narratives of the Roman Empire and Ancient Greece.

There are four mainstream narratives that cover the same ground.

Are any of them vaguely truthful?

The Roman Narrative
The glorious Roman Empire narrative interacts with the Parthian Empire.

The Parthian Empire (247 BC – 224 AD), also known as the Arsacid Empire, was a major Iranian political and cultural power in ancient Iran and Iraq.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_Empire

The Roman–Parthian War of 58–63 or the War of the Armenian Succession was fought between the Roman Empire and the Parthian Empire over control of Armenia, a vital buffer state between the two realms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman%E2%80%93Parthian_War_of_58%E2%80%9363

This narrative appears to be very important to the Etruscan Ecclesiastical Empire because [officially] Armenia subsequently became the first Christian state in 301 AD.

Armenia became the first state in the world to adopt Christianity as its official religion.

In between the late 3rd century to early years of the 4th century, the state became the first Christian nation.

The official date of state adoption of Christianity is 301 AD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia

The Parthian Empire narrative appears to have been stitched together by the Etruscan Ecclesiastical Empire and stretched to cover the decimated void between 607 and 912 CE.

The Byzantine Narrative
The 471 year long Parthian Empire storyline [above] may well have been cloned, shaped and stretched based upon the 427 year long Sasanian Empire [below] which [in it’s turn] may have been shaped so that the Byzantine Empire storyline could be retro-fitted.

The Sasanian Empire, also known as Sassanian, Sasanid, Sassanid or Neo-Persian Empire), known to its inhabitants as Ērānshahr in Middle Persian, was the last imperial dynasty in Persia (Iran) before the rise of Islam, ruled by and named after the Sasanian dynasty from 224 to 651 AD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasanian_Empire

The Byzantine–Sasanian War of 602–628 was the final and most devastating of the series of wars fought between the Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Empire and the Sasanian Empire of Persia.

By the end of the conflict both sides had exhausted their human and material resources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine%E2%80%93Sasanian_War_of_602%E2%80%93628

The Roman–Persian Wars [54 BC – 628 AD] were a series of conflicts between states of the Greco-Roman world and two successive Iranian empires: the Parthian and the Sassanid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman%E2%80%93Persian_Wars

The Hellenistic Narrative
The third mainstream “Empire” narrative actually connects North West India to Greece and looks suspiciously like the cultural land bridge that enabled Vedic Culture to spread from India into Greek and Western Europe.

The Seleucid Empire was a Hellenistic state ruled by the Seleucid dynasty, which existed from 312 BC to 63 BC; it was founded by Seleucus I Nicator following the division of the Macedonian empire vastly expanded by Alexander the Great.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucid_Empire

The Ancient Greek Narrative
The foundations of Western Civilisation are said to have been built upon the foundations provided by the Cradle of Western Civilization aka Ancient Greece.

Classical Greek culture, especially philosophy, had a powerful influence on ancient Rome, which carried a version of it to many parts of the Mediterranean Basin and Europe.

For this reason Classical Greece is generally considered to be the seminal culture which provided the foundation of modern Western culture and is considered the cradle of Western civilization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece

Therefore, it’s vitally important for the Academic Acolytes and Etruscan Ecclesiastical Empire that their fabulous Alexander the Great narrative precedes the Seleucid Empire because the Out of India narrative is totally unacceptable.

Alexander III of Macedon (356 BC – 323 BC), commonly known as Alexander the Great, was a king (basileus) of the Ancient Greek kingdom of Macedon[a] and a member of the Argead dynasty.

He spent most of his ruling years on an unprecedented military campaign through Asia and northeast Africa, and he had created one of the largest empires of the ancient world by the age of thirty, stretching from Greece to northwestern India.

He was undefeated in battle and is widely considered one of history’s most successful military commanders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great#Persia

The DNA Clue
However, even the best creative writing can’t mask the linguistic and DNA evidence.

In historical times we find the major portion of Iran occupied by peoples of Indo-European origin, terming themselves Aryans (Arya; Zend, Airya) and their language Aryan – so in the inscriptions of Darius – the same name, which is used by the consanguineous tribes of India who were their nearest relations.

That the Iranians must have come from the East to their later home, is sufficiently proved by their close relationship to the Indians, in conjunction with whom they previously formed a single people, bearing the name Arya.

Encyclopædia Britannica- 1911 – Persia
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica/Persia

“Aryan” is a term meaning “noble” which was used as a self-designation by Indo-Iranian people.

The word was used by the Indic people of the Vedic period in India as an ethnic label for themselves, as well as to refer to the noble class and geographic location known as Āryāvarta where Indo-Aryan culture was based.

The closely related Iranian people also used the term as an ethnic label for themselves in the Avesta scriptures, and the word forms the etymological source of the country Iran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan

See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2016/07/29/catastrophic-english-mother-tongue-and-mtdna/

The Horse Clue
One of the more curious East To West connections is the horse.

It appears, then, that towards the middle of the second millennium before Christ, the Iranians made a great forward movement to the West, and that certain of their princes – at first, probably in the role of mercenary leaders – reached Mesopotamia and Syria and there founded principalities of their own, much as did the Germans under the Roman Empire, the Normans, Turks, &c.

With this we may probably connect the well-known fact that it was about this very period (1700 B.C. approximately) that the horse made its appearance in Babylonia, Egypt and Greece, where for centuries subsequently its use was confined to war and the war-chariot.

Before this it was as foreign to the Babylonians, even in the time of Khammurabi, as to the Egyptians under the XIIth Dynasty.

On the other hand, it had been familiar to the Aryans from time immemorial: indeed they have always been peculiarly a people of riders.

Thus it is quite conceivable that they brought it with them into Western Asia and the quarter from which it came is sufficiently indicated by the fact that the Babylonians write the word “horse” with a group of signs denoting “ass of the East.”

Encyclopædia Britannica- 1911 – Persia
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica/Persia

Perhaps this explains the photo-shopped mosaic in the Basilica of San Vitale, Ravenna.

See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2017/05/22/ravenna-revisited-basilica-of-san-vitale/

The Architectural Clue
Although many ancient building have been re-branded, re-furbished and re-purposed it’s arguable there’s a visible Vedic architectural thread that connects India to Europe.

In Russian Orthodox church history, the Old Believers, more accurately Old Ritualists separated after 1666 from the official Russian Orthodox Church as a protest against church reforms introduced by Patriarch Nikon of Moscow between 1652 and 1666.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers

As they say: You pays your money and you takes your choice…

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17 Responses to Ravenna Revisited: The Deja Vu Dodo

  1. Tim,

    Putting Alexander into doubt makes Velikovsky’s reconstruction interesting since it is Alexander’s appearance in Egypt etc. that anchors one end of his chronological reconstruction. If that date is problematical then………there’s a lot of fake history floating about.

  2. malagabay says:

    Louis: You’ve been reading my mind and the draft of my next post 🙂 🙂

  3. valkyrieice says:

    one wonders if either of you have looked seriously at Formenko?

    I know Gunnar rejects his work completely, but the evidence you continue to point out appears to lend more and more credibility to Formenko’s theory that almost ALL of history prior to the 10th century AD is “cloned, modified, and stretched” repetitions of a few hundred years of actual historical records that survived the devastation, that were then shuffled all over the place and glued together to make not merely a fictitious First Millennium, but that fabricated the ENTIRETY of Ancient History, creating ghost nations that never existed.

    The more pieces I put together, the more holes I find.

    • Interesting you mention this as I was thinking along the same line – that history prior to 9th century is problematical and most likely as Formenko proposes. Obviously I need to look at this work.

      • The Formenko school rejects mankind having experienced any past catastrophe(s), so this fact needs to be factored into any conclusions Formenko arrives at. His methodologies are good, however, so his ideas need to be recognised but whether those ideas are correct? I would be tempted to conclude that most of the historical data was fabricated, often out of whole cloth, during late Middle to early Medieval ages and to the present day. The academic discipline of archaeology had but one goal, to verify biblical chronology, and given that both Islam and Christianity appeared out of the Middle Dark Ages, after the Greek Event as Tim has proposed, and given our present day understanding of how fake news is created or fabricated, (the purveyors of fake news seem to actually believe their understanding is ‘right’) and it’s clear how past histories were fabricated.

        In this sense I’m ignoring written history and sticking to the stratigraphy and where artefacts are built on – or made from. Scale of structure is also important – the trilithons at Baalbek in Lebanon were quarried out of what rock type, and given their size, the importance of ‘how’ has to be figured out.

        If Formenko is right that ancient history as written is mainly the product of Medieval minds. then Velikovsky’s chronology is problematical. Charlie Ginenthal’s work needs to be checked out, and Lyn Rose’s retrocalculations have to be looked into.

        None of this is trivial.

  4. valkyrieice says:

    No. None of it is trivial. But it is becoming more and more obvious that it is necessary.

    Like most theories, there are parts of Formenko that appear in error, such as the rejection of the catastrophe evidence. However, his statistical analysis method does indicate a strong probability of ancient history being a repeating story that is altered to suit a different region and era, while the overall “events” are the same.

    To be blunt, it is starting to appear that we have no actual history prior to the 10th century in the “written records.” and thus, only the stratigraphic record can be considered “verifiable”, though there is a certain class of “written” evidence that appears to be potentially useful as a cross reference to the catastrophic events, if you remove the religious explanations and view it ONLY as a reference to the events themselves instead of trying to link it to the fictitious storylines of the “Histories”

    And I am aware that this is problematical for catastrophists as well as mainstream historians. They want to “correct” the timeline, while the evidence is starting to indicate that there’s nothing to correct because it’s entirely false. It also tends to disprove ALL religious mythologies as creative storytelling, which doesn’t win many friends either. Basically, we’ve got just a little over a thousand years of history, and everything before that is broken into a million conflicting pieces.

    And this fact is the thing the academics appear to be the most desperate to hide.

    • I don’t think they are hiding as ignoring it because they are unable to figure it out as a result of the limited number of ideas they use to explain history. It raises the reaction “speechless” to new meanings. I copped that a couple of decades ago when I plotted species extinctions versus flood basalt and kimberlite eruptions – spatially I saw a connection, overstretched timescale notwithstanding. and tried to interest others in starting some research. The immediate reaction I got was that they were not allowed to think in this manner, ie. I was committing heresy. They had a serious case of cognitive dissonance, and that happens when the brain has been inculcated with thinking patterns in which they only see what they believe – robotic minds in other words, who are highly skilled in recitation but know not how to think. If such mind-sets are in the majority, which they patently are at present, then we have the present day mess.

      An interesting view of this fabrication of history lies in Worlds in Collision. When I first received the book in 1989, I decided to check some footnotes for accuracy, and being quotes from the Old Testament, easily checked. Only Bible I could get my hands on was a Good News Bible printed in 1975, and on checking his footnotes I discovered V misquoted. That was enough to prompt me to shelve the book as another red-herring. Until it dawned on me that V was quoting from the King James Version, and on checking that version, V was correct and accurate. What struck me was the passage in question, a laconic phrase in Isaiah to the effect “the people were burning” became “the people were punished” in the modern version. Which prompted the question of what did the original versions, if any, state. That was the start of my “Unbelief” state.

  5. valkyrieice says:

    Mine started much earlier, as I cut my teeth as a kid on Donelly, Muck, and Berlitz, then went digging for more. The real kicker was likely a book I now forget the name of by a couple of xtian authors trying hard to claim the deluge involved a “shell of water” that was once around the earth. It mentioned Velikovsky, and prompted me to read WIC. At the time I dismissed it as yet another attempt to “prove” the Bible was ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

    It took many more years before I became acquainted with EUT, and the electrical theories. Since then I have read quite an enormous amount of research, both in EUT, and in “Alternative” archeology sources. While I think it answers many questions, it does not answer ALL of them, and so I keep researching. I can view Velikovsky and the others as containing valid evidence, yet drawing flawed conclusions due to personal agendas.

    Have you Read Jno Cook’s “Recovering the Lost World?” While I obviously cannot agree with his chronological timeline constructions, he does have some interesting ideas and evidence for multiple catastrophic events, culminating in the RTE.

  6. The question of chronological duration can easily be settled – mathematically. Go back to the thread https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2015/04/14/celestial-crystal-balls-and-the-temple-of-amen-ra/ to the section on GF Dodwell. The exponential curve for obliquity that he gives is based on readings made going back to 1100bce. There are no jumps. It may not be so accurate that it can give a precise year for events, but it covers 3000 years nicely. As always, the devil is in the detail.

    To add on that I have found evidence that corroborates Dodwell and proves him correct. The evidence is extensive, and also proves that repeated cataclysms occurred in the Holocene, much worse than we (or the bible) anticipate or wish to believe. All is corroborated. The dates, -again- may not be accurate, but they are not far out either. As always, the major problem here is ‘denial’, especially on matters that have come to be taken as ‘established’. It is easier to build a mental wall than change a mental perspective.

    • valkyrieice says:

      Given the evidence of rearrangement of the solar system, I am not as certain of that. Those methods assume invariant orbits, declinations, and periods. As many EUT authors have demonstrated, there is significant evidence that the earth’s orbital period alone has changed repeatedly in the last several thousand years, and that is even without examining the evidence for a close encounter between Jupiter and Saturn when both were in close Solar Orbits that slung planets around like billiard balls.

      This is why I say ALL of history prior to 10th Century AD needs a serious disassembly and a start from scratch reconstruction. Given the ability of massive electrical events to alter decay rates, C14 levels, gravity, and even electrical potentials on a planet wide scale, we have NO RELIABLE method that I see at present other than pure stratigraphic evidence, and even that is hostage to the consensus assumptions about geological processes.

      It’s a mess. And it’s a mess that many people are trying desperately to prevent being cleaned up.

      • malagabay says:

        An excellent summary.

        This is why I say ALL of history prior to 10th Century AD needs a serious disassembly and a start from scratch reconstruction.

        Given the ability of massive electrical events to alter decay rates, C14 levels, gravity, and even electrical potentials on a planet wide scale, we have NO RELIABLE method that I see at present other than pure stratigraphic evidence, and even that is hostage to the consensus assumptions about geological processes.

        It’s a mess.

        And it’s a mess that many people are trying desperately to prevent being cleaned up.

        However, I’m yet to be convinced that the “fog” clears in the 10th Century AD. It could be a lot later…

        The Gregorian calendar is internationally the most widely used civil calendar. It is named after Pope Gregory XIII, who introduced it in October 1582.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar

        The printing press was invented in the Holy Roman Empire by the German Johannes Gutenberg around 1440, based on existing screw presses.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar

  7. 1582 may well be a useful starting point. Copernicus (1473 to1543) started the ball rolling when he questioned the solar system model, when he realised the Earth was orbiting the Sun, and not vice versa that was the dominant view. It did not too long for the Church to realise a change occurred, and reset the Calendar in 1582, and as habits die hard, Gallileo and Bruno suffered accordingly until it became blindingly obvious that the Earth orbited the sun presumably to Newton.

    My own family tree dates from 1326 AD around Deventer of the Netherlands, so I guess life started to normalise around then.

    Gavin Menzies had the Ming Dynasty Chinese in Europe around that time, which leads me to wonder that something globally colossal occurred that spurred the Chinese to start surveying the Earth wrt to geodetic/astronomical data when they were subsequently routed in the Pacific, retreated into China and the Europeans subsequently filled the vacuum. Menzies’ reconstruction has to be viewed as a first pass framework from which to work.

    The only solid connecting link is the one tree – data of Libby, and then I would ignore the radiometric data as well and simply assume ring counting as a representation of chronology.

    And completely leaving the topic to another idea, I just realised that element density determinations are done by weighing a test sample in air and then in water, a well established method. Except no one has realised that the water being used in the determination is probably Pollack’s EZ water which would affect the weighing process by imposing electrical forces >>> gravitational on the process. It’s the estimation of planetary and solar densities that form the basis of Newton’s mechanics etc.

    This problem of density estimations, crucial in mineral ore-reserve estimation, I stumbled across doing my post grad study, but was not allowed to publish for the usual heresies. Only this weekend is when I realised the role of EZ water in the process.

    Just saying.

  8. If one were to look for a good ‘starting point’ I would suggest C Ptolemy. Ask: Why on earth go for a geo-centric solar system when it was known all along it was helio-centic, well before his time, (by not least four millennia). Texts, -much older than Ptolemy,- and structures,-older still-, indicate that a helio-centric model was not so difficult to perceive.

    Looking at the situation from the other end, Dodwell is still being ignored. Digging in heels is not the way forward. As to ‘who did what’ during the last two millennia, follow the money – coinage. Its the winners that get to leave his/her ugly face on coins (except Persephone for Sicily; she’s a beaut).

    • Ptolemy is well inside disputed historical territory while 1582 is “known” with a certain amount of confidence notwithstanding present-day false-news and thus false-history. The question is why did the Medieval peoples believe in a geocentric world, and sailing off the end of the world. Why did Columbus believe travelling west to India would be a doddle?
      Either these beliefs are dismissed as myths or errors, or more probably based on fact at the time. And 1st millennium history is already a monumental problem.

      Suffice it to say here that I finally managed to identify the rocks forming the quarries from which the megalithic dressed stones were excavated from in at Baalbek to build the Temple of Jupiter – they are limestones identified as upper Cretaceous, and puts civilisation in the sense of stone buildings into stratigraphical perspective. Therefore other megalithic constructions elsewhere should also be found on top of Cretaceous rocks.

      Geologically this extinction event was marked by enormous kimberlite eruptions and massive emission of CO2 which I suspect formed the massive calcareous sedimentary deposits.

      A starting point.

  9. calgacus says:

    I wonder if people here are familiar with Historia Augusta. Maybe this collection of biographies contains useful clues.

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