732 AD and All That – A Belief System Cocktail

In my teenage years I learnt that Mixing My Drinks was a very bad idea.

In later life I added Mixing Belief Systems to my list of very bad ideas.

Therefore, it’s no surprise I consider it in very poor taste to concoct a cocktail composed of:

3 parts Christian Belief System

2 parts Western Historical Belief System

Unfortunately, my distaste for queasy cocktails is not shared by Stefan Molyneux [a YouTube commentator with 644,148 subscribers] and Duke Pesta [a tenured university professor] who enthusiastically mix together these ingredients in The Real History of The Crusades.

The self-satisfied certainty of the first 6 minutes and 50 seconds enables the bar tenders to prepare their audience for the decanting of their cocktail which appears designed to leave the consumer [both] shaken and stirred.

In the middle of the seventh century, like you said, six hundred plus years after Christ you have Muhammad who looks around the world surrounding and he sees primarily Jewish and Christian peoples.

And so what Muhammad does is he takes a lot from the Old Testament, takes a lot from the New Testament, takes a little bit from the Persian mythologies and creates a religion that centres him as the Prophet.

And within his lifetime, before he was even dead, the warmongering, the colonial ambitions of Islam had really come to dominate.

People who want to talk about the correct Crusades and we’re talking about the tenth and eleventh, twelfth centuries.

We’re talking here as early as the eighth century, as early as 732 AD, within a hundred years of the founding of Islam you have the famous Battle of Tours where Islamic armies, the Umayyad Caliphate – people don’t know this – the Umayyad Caliphate was the fifth largest empire in the history of the World…

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After that first sickly sip I decided to consign the remainder of the presentation to the oblivion of the stop button.

The problems and issues associated with the Christian narrative and timeline are legion.

Whilst the greatest omissions from the Western Historical Belief System are the two major natural catastrophes that shaped the World and human society during the last 1,500 years:
the Arabian Horizon and the Heinsohn Horizon.

Thus, Duke Pesta is completely missing the point [and the Arabian Horizon] when he states Muhammad “looks around the world surrounding and he sees primarily Jewish and Christian peoples” because Muhammad would have primarily observed devastated communities, broken counties, failed empires and forsaken religious belief systems.

In other words:

The Western Historical Narrative is a Gradualist belief system that was constructed to support the Christian Belief System which is an amalgam of many religious traditions that can be traced back into the mists of time.

See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2016/10/01/the-arabian-horizon-the-year-of-the-elephant/

See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2016/02/19/zeitgeist-religion/

Similarly, it’s misleading to emphasise the “warmongering” and “colonial ambitions of Islam” because it’s evident the rapid expansion of the Islamic Caliphate was facilitated by the Arabian Horizon i.e. Islam expanded to fill the power vacuum.

The early Muslim conquests also referred to as the Arab conquests and early Islamic conquests began with the Islamic Prophet Muhammad in the 7th century.

He established a new unified polity in the Arabian Peninsula which under the subsequent Rashidun and Umayyad Caliphates saw a century of rapid expansion.

The Muslim conquests brought about the collapse of the Sassanid Empire and a great territorial loss for the Byzantine Empire.

The reasons for the Muslim success are hard to reconstruct in hindsight, primarily because only fragmentary sources from the period have survived.

Explanations of success of the early conquests
The rapidity of the early conquests has received various explanations.

Contemporary Christian writers conceived them as God’s punishment visited on their fellow Christians for their sins.

There are indications that the conquests started as initially disorganized pillaging raids launched partly by non-Muslim Arab tribes in the aftermath of the Ridda wars, and were soon extended into a war of conquest by the Rashidun caliphs, although other scholars argue that the conquests were a planned military venture already underway during Muhammad’s lifetime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Muslim_conquests

The Umayyad Caliphate, also spelled Omayyad, was the second of the four major caliphates established after the death of Muhammad.

At its greatest extent, the Umayyad Caliphate covered 11,100,000 km2 (4,300,000 sq mi) and 62 million people (29% of the world’s population), making it one of the largest empires in history in both area and proportion of the world’s population.

The Umayyad Caliphate was secular by nature.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_Caliphate

Strangely enough, the very same Arabian Horizon facilitated the expansion of the Roman Empire which [increasingly] appears to be a re-branding of the Rum Empire [aka Byzantine Empire] by the Western Historical Belief System.

Naming the Byzantine Empire was one of the larger hurdles they had to clear because it’s difficult to explain away why something as significant as the Byzantine Empire was left unlabelled [and undocumented] for over a thousand years.

This is problem the Wikipedia wizards very clumsily try to obfuscate and finesse.

Rûm, also transliterated as Roum or Rhum…
The name derives from the Greek…. refers to the Byzantine Empire, which… had not yet acquired the designation “Byzantine,” an academic term applied only after its dissolution.

The Arabs, therefore, naturally called them “the Rûm“, their territory “the land of the Rûm” and the Mediterranean “the Sea of the Rûm.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rûm

See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2017/05/31/ravenna-revisited-a-byzantine-birth/

See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2017/03/23/comet-halley-and-the-roman-time-line/

However, what really stuck in my throat was the cherry on a stick [aka The Battle of Tours in 732 AD] that was dropped into this contentious cocktail.

The Battle of Tours (10 October 732) – also called the Battle of Poitiers and, by Arab sources, the Battle of the Palace of the Martyrs – was fought between Frankish and Burgundian forces under Charles Martel against an army of the Umayyad Caliphate led by ‘Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi, Governor-General of al-Andalus.

It was fought in an area between the cities of Poitiers and Tours, in north-central France, near the village of Moussais-la-Bataille, about 20 kilometres (12 mi) northeast of Poitiers.

The location of the battle was close to the border between the Frankish realm and then-independent Aquitaine.

The Franks were victorious.

‘Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi was killed, and Charles subsequently extended his authority in the south.

Details of the battle, including its exact location and the number of combatants, cannot be determined from accounts that have survived.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

Whenever I encounter erudite and articulate commentators talking about battles that are said to have occurred 1,285 years ago my immediate reaction is to check the credibility of their sources.

This is especially true when details of the “battle” [including its “exact location” and whether it was really a rarely mentioned “minor skirmish”] “cannot be determined”.

Eastern historians, like their Western counterparts, have not always agreed on the importance of the battle.

According to Bernard Lewis, “The Arab historians, if they mention this engagement [the Battle of Tours] at all, present it as a minor skirmish,” and Gustave von Grunebaum writes: “This setback may have been important from the European point of view, but for Muslims at the time, who saw no master plan imperilled thereby, it had no further significance.”

Contemporary Arab and Muslim historians and chroniclers were much more interested in the second Umayyad siege of Constantinople in 718, which ended in a disastrous defeat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

Wikipedia provides two references to “contemporary accounts” of the Battle of Tours.

Contemporary accounts

The Mozarabic Chronicle of 754 “describes the battle in greater detail than any other Latin or Arabic source”.

Charles Martel’s family composed, for the fourth book of the Continuations of Fredegar’s Chronicle, a stylised summary of the battle: …

It is thought that Bede’s Ecclesiastical History of the English People (Book V, Chapter XXIV) includes a reference to the Battle of Poitiers: “…a dreadful plague of Saracens ravaged France with miserable slaughter, but they not long after in that country received the punishment due to their wickedness”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

Neither source provides room for comfort or complacency.

The Chronicle of 754 was written by an anonymous author and published a mere 883 years after the Battle of Tours and “has few contemporary sources against which to check its veracity”.

The Chronicle of 754 (also called the Mozarabic Chronicle or Continuatio Hispana) is a Latin-language history in 95 sections, which was composed in 754 in a part of Spain under Arab rule.

Its compiler was an anonymous Mozarab (Christian) chronicler, living under Arab rule in some part of Iberia.

The Chronicle of 754 covers the years 610 to 754, during which it has few contemporary sources against which to check its veracity;

The Chronicle was first published in its entirety in Pamplona, 1615;…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozarabic_Chronicle_of_754

The Chronicle of Fredegar is yet another dodgy document by an unknown author that first appeared in print 836 years after the Battle of Tours.

The Chronicle of Fredegar is the conventional title used for a 7th-century Frankish chronicle that was probably written in Burgundy.

The author is unknown and the attribution to Fredegar dates only from the 16th century.

The original chronicle is lost, but it exists in an uncial copy made in 715 by a Burgundian monk named Lucerius.

The first printed version, the editio princeps, was published in Basel by Flacius Illyricus in 1568.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronicle_of_Fredegar

Whilst the referenced Continuations of Fredegar’s Chronicle appear to be a “reworking” [aka “extra chapters”] that mysteriously materialised in the 19th century.

In 1883 Bruno Krusch, in his edition for the Monumenta Germaniae Historica, proposed that the Chronicle was the creation of three authors, a theory later accepted by Theodor Mommsen, Wilhelm Levison, and Wallace-Hadrill.

Continuations
One group of manuscripts (Krusch’s Class 4) contain a reworking of the Chronicle of Fredegar followed by additional sections that describe events in Francia up to 768.

These additional sections are referred to as the Continuations.

Krusch in his critical edition, appends these extra chapters to the text of the Codex Claromontanus creating the false impression that the two parts originate from the same manuscript.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronicle_of_Fredegar#Continuations

Personally, I have no faith in the Christian and Western Historical belief systems.

However, I do believe I need a new Irony Meter after seeing The Real History of The Crusades juxtaposed with Stefan Molyneux’s Strong Propaganda Makes Good Slaves.

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7 Responses to 732 AD and All That – A Belief System Cocktail

  1. TimE. says:

    “Personally, I have no faith in the Christian and Western Historical belief systems”.

    What comprises modern “Christianity” is… abominable – what is left is – at least in the Imperial Empire of the United States – are 501c.3 (IRS non-Profit) controlled propaganda outfits.

    The Victors wrote history to further their aims – see:

    And while The TRUTH may be suppressed – it still exists – it may depend upon where you look.

    Extremely controversial – and indeed – it may be defined as “HATE” by modern pundits – but I actually met the Man – and bought the books – to learn more – from someone who has a different perspective.

    Here is a different narrative – a unique perspective – from a Man who claims to have intimate knowledge – but it is *DANGEROUS* and perhaps – *FORBIDDEN* – certainly *CONTROVERSIAL* – The below referenced video may *OPEN* your eyes –

    The Edicts of King ASHOKA:

    King Asoka, the third monarch of the Indian Mauryan dynasty, has come to be regarded as one of the most exemplary rulers in world history. The British historian H.G. Wells has written: “Amidst the tens of thousands of names of monarchs that crowd the columns of history … the name of Asoka shines, and shines almost alone, a star.” Although Buddhist literature preserved the legend of this ruler — the story of a cruel and ruthless king who converted to Buddhism and thereafter established a reign of virtue — definitive historical records of his reign were lacking. Then in the nineteenth century there came to light a large number of edicts, in India, Nepal, Pakistan and Afghanistan. These edicts, inscribed on rocks and pillars, proclaim Asoka’s reforms and policies and promulgate his advice to his subjects.

    https://www.cs.colostate.edu/~malaiya/ashoka.html

    It is interesting that here in the Imperial Empire of the United States – a re-birth of the Imperial Roman Empire – we have an invasion of Hindu Indians brought here by the EB-5 Program:

    The Milwaukee Regional Center was established in 2007, when it was approved by the Department of Homeland Security to sponsor investment projects in southeast Wisconsin.

    Created to stimulate investment in the U.S. economy and to create new jobs for U.S. workers, the federal EB-5 regional center program has grown rapidly in the last several years.
    The program offers foreign investors and their families the opportunity to apply for green cards in exchange for qualified investment in qualified local projects. Investors must be approved by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (“USCIS”) in order to obtain conditional green cards and permanent green cards. To qualify for a green card, a qualified foreign investor must invest a minimum of U.S. $1 million (or U.S. $500,000 in targeted employment areas) in qualified businesses that create at least 10 full-time permanent jobs for U.S. workers. Provided that the investment is maintained and achieves the job requirements of the program, a foreign investor may apply for a permanent green card two years after he or she obtains a conditional green card.

    http://www.mmac.org/milwaukee-eb-5-visa-program.html

    See also:

    http://richardhoskins.com/bklist.htm

    • malagabay says:

      “*DANGEROUS* and perhaps – *FORBIDDEN* – certainly *CONTROVERSIAL* –”

      And through one of life’s little ironies: *COMEDIC*.

      The indistinct soundtrack led me to switch on Google’s automated English sub-titles.

      Amongst the many gems the sub-titles provide amazing insights into “The Donald”.

      I’m afraid the video only *OPENED* my eyes to the humour of automated sub-titles.

      Classic 🙂

      • TimE. says:

        I can agree – you are right – it is a bit over the top and certainly *COMEDIC*

        Then again, up there in the Great White North – the British Queen’s subjects have passed this Noble act into LAW: (2017 CE)

        This bill has received Royal Assent and is, or will soon become, law.
        Summary

        This is from the published bill. The Library of Parliament often publishes better independent summaries.

        This enactment amends the Canadian Human Rights Act to add gender identity and gender expression to the list of prohibited grounds of discrimination.

        The enactment also amends the Criminal Code to extend the protection against hate propaganda set out in that Act to any section of the public that is distinguished by gender identity or expression and to clearly set out that evidence that an offence was motivated by bias, prejudice or hate based on gender identity or expression constitutes an aggravating circumstance that a court must take into consideration when it imposes a sentence.

        https://openparliament.ca/bills/42-1/C-16/

        Absurdity piled upon absurdity.

        Welcome to the Hot/Crazee Matrix: DISCLAIMER – This presentation may be ILLEGAL in Canada – Viewer discretion is advised.

      • malagabay says:

        The Hot-Crazy Matrix is a very useful concept with 17,541,401 views [and counting].

        Has it been adapted for Politicians?

      • TimE. says:

        Further information – what he teaches is what is often referred to as “Christian Identity”. It is …. I believe OUTLAWED in Germany – and perhaps other places. This specifically relates to Anglo-Saxons – The British Empire – it is a conquering Religion – much like Islam or Judaism. Google it for yourself.

        Those who ascribe to Christian Identity say that “The Law” – as given to Moses – has not been abolished – and must still be enforced. Decide for yourself –

  2. TimE. says:

    FYI:

    When around 620AD the Khazars annexed the last Zoroastric stronghold of

    the Sasanids in Caucasian Albania, a melting pot became boiling of
    Jewish, Orthodoc, Zoroastric, Manichean Elkasaitic Essenic and Jacobite

    believings, on which Silvanes short after reformed his Paulicism . It
    spread around rapidly in Anatolia, Persia and the Caucasian mountains.

    After the Jewish conversion of the Khazars in 740AD, Paulicism,
    because of their celebration of the Sabbath, became the main stream of
    Christianity in tolerant Khazaria.
    A similar puritan Moslim stream were called Kharijites in Bagdad.
    (Salians in the Coran)
    The Khazars became known in Hungria in Europe under the name of
    Cazzars, after the Khazar backed invasion of the Maygars.
    Under the Khazar emperors on the Byzantine throne, Leo III , the
    Iconeclaster,etc., Paulician farmers settled themselves after 750AD in
    the Balkan, what they called Albania as well.
    With the return of the Orthodox emperors on the Byzantine throne, the
    Paulicians were deported to Thracia twice in 870 as prisioners of war
    and in 970 as a military buffer against the

    https://cierratuatha.wordpress.com/2015/10/28/were-the-cathars-khazars/

  3. calgacus says:

    This is an interesting video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMJRsd8SrhU . Jay Smith tries to make his point that many Muslim books were written many years after the death of Mohamed. Of course he doesn’t consider the possibility that that the standard chronology is very wrong. I find it interesting that some mosques (the earliest according to the video), point to the city of Petra.

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