Enigmatic Egypt: Sahara Seas

200 years ago Georges Cuvier introduced academia to the concept of “periodic catastrophic floods”.

Jean Léopold Nicolas Frédéric, Baron Cuvier (1769 – 1832), known as Georges Cuvier, was a French naturalist and zoologist, sometimes referred to as the “father of paleontology”.

In his Essay on the Theory of the Earth (1813) Cuvier was interpreted to have proposed that new species were created after periodic catastrophic floods.

In this way, Cuvier became the most influential proponent of catastrophism in geology in the early 19th century.


It is of much importance to remark, that these repeated irruptions and retreats of the
have neither all been slow nor gradual ; on the contrary, most of the catastrophes which have occasioned them have been sudden ; and this is especially easy to be proved, with regard to the last of these catastrophes, that which, by a two-fold motion, has inundated, and afterwards laid dry, our present continents, or at least a part of the land which forms them at the present day.

In the northern regions, it has left the carcases of large quadrupeds which became enveloped in the ice, and have thus been preserved even to our own times, with their skin, their hair, and their flesh.

If they had not been frozen as soon as killed, they would have been decomposed by

And, on the other hand, this eternal frost could not previously have occupied the places in which they have been seized by it, for they could not have lived in such a temperature.

It was, therefore, at one and the same moment that these animals were destroyed, and the country which they inhabited became covered with ice.

This event has been sudden, instantaneous, without any gradation ; and what is so clearly demonstrated with respect to this last catastrophe, is not less so with reference to those which have preceded it.

The breaking to pieces, the raising up and overturning of the older strata, leave no doubt upon the mind that they have been reduced to the state in which we now see them, by the action of sudden and violent causes ; and even the force of the motions excited in the mass of waters, is still attested by the heaps of debris and rounded pebbles which are in many places interposed between the solid strata.

Life, therefore, has often been disturbed on this earth by terrible events.

Numberless living beings have been the victims of these catastrophes ; some, which inhabited the dry land, have been swallowed up by inundations ; others, which peopled the waters, have been laid dry, from the bottom of the sea having been suddenly raised ; their very races have been extinguished for ever, and have left no other memorial of their existence than some fragments, which the naturalist can scarcely recognize.

Such are the conclusions to which we are necessarily led by the objects that we meet with at
every step, and which we can always verify, by examples drawn from almost every country.

Essay on The Theory of The Earth – Georges Cuvier – 1813

Academia responded by creating an imaginary safe space where academics [and lesser species] evolve and adapt as gradual changes occur.

Gradualism, from Latin gradus (“step”), is a hypothesis, a theory or a tenet assuming that change comes about gradually or that variation is gradual in nature. Uniformitarianism, incrementalism, and reformism are similar concepts.


100 years ago Roberto Mantovani introduced academia to the concept of the “Expanding Earth”.

Roberto Mantovani (25 March 1854 – 10 January 1933), was an Italian geologist and violinist.

In 1889 and 1909 Mantovani published a hypothesis of an expanding earth and continental drift.

He assumed that a closed continent covered the entire surface of a smaller earth.

Through volcanic activity because of thermal expansion this continent broke, so that the new continents were drifting away from each other because of further expansion of the rip-zones, where now the oceans lie.


Academia responded by expanding their imaginary safe space so that millions of years separate the Human Timeline from any “terrible events” in their Nature Timeline.

Unsurprisingly, there are problems reconciling this deep safe space with observational data.

For example:

Accounting for the rise and fall in global sea levels in this deep safe space is problematical especially when [roughly] the uppermost 200 metres of the oceans appear to have inexplicably vanished during the Cenozoic.

Throughout the Cenozoic (66 million to the dawn of the Neogene, 23 million years), global sea levels fell hundreds of meters, and eventually the connections between the Atlantic and the Tethys closed off in what is now the Middle East.


See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2016/01/04/the-ups-and-downs-of-sea-level/

An alternate approach is to accept that “terrible events” have occurred during human history.

This approach suggests the dramatic drop in sea level represents the draining of Inland Seas into the Ocean Basins as they formed on the surface of the Inflating Earth.

For example:

The draining of the shallow Inland Seas of Southern Europe and North Africa is called the Messinian Salinity Crisis in academia’s deep safe space.

The Messinian Salinity Crisis (MSC), also referred to as the Messinian Event, and in its latest stage as the Lago Mare event, was a geological event during which the Mediterranean Sea went into a cycle of partly or nearly complete desiccation throughout the latter part of the Messinian age of the Miocene epoch, from 5.96 to 5.33 Ma (million years ago). It ended with the Zanclean flood, when the Atlantic reclaimed the basin.


The alternate approach suggests shallow Inland Seas bordering the Mediterranean initially drained away through the Betic Corridor into the South Atlantic basin.

The process then reversed when the shallow Inland Seas in North America and Northern Europe drained into the North Atlantic basin and raised the level of the Atlantic Ocean sufficiently for sea water to flow into the Mediterranean Basin via the Strait of Gibraltar.

Europe and Africa are separated by 7.7 nautical miles (14.3 km; 8.9 mi) of ocean at the strait’s narrowest point. The Strait’s depth ranges between 300 and 900 metres


This period of “terrible events” is also associated with the formation of the Red Sea.

See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2017/08/18/the-miocene-mysteries/

See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2017/11/13/the-heinsohn-horizon-and-the-parting-of-the-red-sea/

The degree of dessication in the Mediterranean Basin during the the Messinian Salinity Crisis is probably greatly exaggerated because the evaporite layers most likely began to precipitate out of the shallow waters of the [precursor] Inland Seas and then continued to precipitate out of the waters of the [subsequent] Mediterranean Sea.

The salt giant beneath the deep Mediterranean seafloor is the impressive record of the “Messinian salinity crisis,” a dramatic event that occurred about 6 Ma ago following the reduction of the connections with the Atlantic Ocean.

According to the shallow-water deep-basin model, developed for these deposits (Hsu ̈ and others, 1973a, 1973b, 1978a, 1978b), the Messinian evaporites formed in a deep but desiccated Mediterranean, while shelves and slopes underwent subaerial erosion due to fluvial rejuvenation triggered by a 1500 m sea level drawdown.

Deeply incised Messinian canyons in the continental slopes surrounding the Mediterranean
are the main argument supporting this scenario.

Using a state of the art model and idealized but realistic numerical simulations, here we demonstrate that the activation of downslope flows of hypersaline, dense waters, in a process similar to present-day “dense shelf water cascading,” but much more energetic, may account for both slope erosion and progressive salinity rise leading to the formation of deep-seated supersaturated brines.

Our findings support a deep-water deep-basin model (Schmalz, 1969, 1991; De Benedetti, 1976, 1982; Dietz and Woodhouse, 1988), thus implying that evaporite deposition may have occurred in a non-desiccated basin with strongly reduced ocean connections.

The Origin of Messinian Canyons in the Mediterranean:
The Role of Brine-Related Dense Shelf Water Cascading Currents
M Roveri, V Manzi, A Bergamasco, F M Falcieri, R Gennari, S Lugli, and B C Schreiber
American Journal of Science, Vol. 314, March, 2014, P. 751–784


Either way:

The next few posts will review some surprising Shallow Sea evidence from Egypt…

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11 Responses to Enigmatic Egypt: Sahara Seas

  1. The underlying assumption is a fixed volume Earth, fixed volume of water that is recycled via Plate Tectonics on which less dense landmasses seemed to float. Splendidly uniformitarian.

    If the Earth is shrunk a little closing up, say, the Atlantic Basin what then happens to the water? Repositioned elsewhere as ice? Or was the surface water inventory pre Atlantic Basin formation smaller and that the minor inflation or expansion producing the Atlantic Basin was also accompanied by a degassing of the mantle that exuded massive amounts of water?

    Just a few theoretical irritations 🙂

  2. The water, or more likely the salt water, may not have been on the earth at all at that time. (http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150526-alien-origin-of-earths-oceans) It appears now that stars produce water, as well as other minerals, even salt, and that stars can nova regularly, pushing these products out to any orbiting bodies in the way. Several stories exist suggesting that the earth was a victim of at least one such pummeling. The Kalevala comes to mind, and the Bible, as well.

    The Bible even paints a more detailed picture, describing, in its very first book, Genesis, Noah’s flood as the result of the first rain to have been witnessed by mankind, and its retreat to have been the result of the ‘dividing of the lands’ in the days of one Peleg (http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Peleg.html).

    And, in its final book, Revelation (http://biblehub.com/revelation/12-16.htm), the same events are rehearsed from a more celestial, and mythological, angle, lending much credence to both the expanding earth and extraterrestrial oceans theories, as well as aligning them chronologically.

    Could it be that further alignment is warranted? The frozen mammoths (http://saturniancosmology.org/files/extinction/mammoth.txt) can hardly have met their fate from anything seen anywhere on earth today. Some were eating living, green, temperate-zone vegetation when the temperatures plummeted to at least -100C, suggesting extraterrestrial material bringing outer-space cold directly down to earth in a form which would not even knock these great beasts off their feet before freezing them solid.

    In his book, Paradise Found, William F. Warren catalogs the many beliefs of the presence of, not one, but two ‘mountains’, the one in the north that we hear much about in EU circles, and one in the south. According to the EU, these mountains would have been electrical in nature, but caused by the presence of Saturn above earth’s northern pole. The Book of Enoch suggests that Jupiter was simultaneously off earth’s southern pole, catching the rocky bodies between the two giants, perhaps even countering the effects of their gravity in a great tug-of-war.

    What might the tides have looked like under such circumstances? Wouldn’t they have remained static? Wouldn’t they have mounted up, drawing nearly all the earth’s water into great, crystal mountains? Might those mountains of water have reached into hellishly cold regions of the atmosphere? And, when the PC collapsed, and all that glittering snow and ice descended upon the earth, wouldn’t the albedo effect have left the once tropical poles buried beneath too much ice to ever recover? Might that same frozen water vapor have snapped back in both directions, giving birth to Saturn’s and Jupiter’s rings? Might the release from Saturn’s and Jupiter’s gravitational struggle have triggered earth’s expansion, creating the basins into which the newly acquired saltwater drained? And is this all part of a larger, repeating cycle?

  3. melitamegalithic says:

    This I warrant is going to be a very interesting thread. Adding to that, the comment by MA Rhodes is a very tempting invitation to add my 2c worth of comment.

    One does not need to invoke extraterrestrial sources to account for prehistoric events recounted in the bible, and a host of other sources, about cataclysmic flood of the past. Some are far more realistic and faithful than the bible and tell not only of floods but also of lost lands; vide ‘Prose Edda’. What is needed is specs that see through the obfuscation of the last millennia (see link: Crystal Balls etc on this site). One aspect I seek particularly in ancient accounts are details that are never subject to distortion, like agrarian practices, issues that no religio/political tampering would dream of altering.

    Cataclysmic floods can result from abrupt changes to Earth tilt. Noah’s flood was one, the Sumerian flood, aptly described as “when the flood Swept over” – not rained- was a different one. There would also be geological rearranging of specific sites; in fact (mentioned in Enoch as drunken land). Revelation, among the ramblings, says “shook mountains and displaced island”. Mountain shaking is a frequent event and a killer of men -well known phenomenon, but how could the author know of displaced islands?

    Another hint from MAR’s post is the enigma of the frozen mammoths. I refer to the frozen soft bodied plants found by Prof L Thompson of the Cuelccaya ice-cap, dated to some 5000 yrs ago. Now Dodwell said earth tilt increased from low tilt to today’s in 2345bce (my research in megalithic calendars found tilt occurred, no date, but original tilt as ~14deg). Cuelccaya would then have been at the southern tropic, and would have suffered an abrupt reduction in solar insolation. Meaning the permanent ice line increased overnight. Plants that bloomed during the day and survived the night frost were now in a permanent freezer. The date of Thompson’s plants was revised; nearer to Dodwell’s date.

    Returning the Enoch and Jupiter. Enoch would have seen Jupiter in a different place before/after a tilt change. However these are all changes intrinsic to Earth. Plato would agree.

  4. Martin Sieff says:

    Obviously there are many mechanisms both planetary and cosmological that could account for massive outpourings and/or draining of water on the earth and on more than one – or two – occasions.

    We should remember to remarkable pieces of hard evidence that point to a vast increase of water volume in the Earth’s oceans within human existence.

    First, the beds of existing major rivers throughout the world continue to the end of the continental shelves everywhere in the world.

    Here is clear evidence that within the most recent geological eras, at the most scores of thousands of years ago and quite possibly less, the volume of water in the world’s open ocean basins dramatically increased. It may well have doubled.

    Second, in an extraordinary piece of technological/engineering achievement, the Cassini spacecraft was maneuvered into an erupting water geyser from Saturn’s moon Enceladus and confirmed it had the same saline levels as the oceans of the Earth.

    There can be only one explanation for such an e astonishing “coincidence.” The source of the salt in the oceans of the earth and in the underground ocean of Enceladus is the same.

    The obvious source for these waters,, as Velikovsky recorded in his unpublished work on the Deluge now available online in the Velikovsky Archives thanks to Jan Sammer, was Saturn when it went nova as a consequence of its close interaction with Jupiter.

  5. Martin Sieff says:

    Fully agree with Marcus Aurelius Rhodes

    Mr. Rhodes suggests another extraordinary possibility – even likelihood.

    If Saturn-type planets and nova’s are common throughout the Universe – and the likelihood is trong that we live in a statistically typical and relatively common star system – Then the abundant production of liquid water on a oceanic scale and the favorable conditions for physical life are common phenomena everywhere.

    Far from rare and unique, abundant organic life is therefore typical.

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