Déjà Vu Vikings

Viking Déjà Vu

In 1886 Wilhelm von Christ suggested the Sea Peoples were Atlanteans.

Wilhelm von Christ (1831 – 1906) was a German classical scholar.

From 1854 till 1860 he taught in the Maximiliansgymnasium at Munich, and in 1861 was appointed professor of classical philology at the University of Munich.

In 1886, Wilhelm Christ was the first who put forward the theory that the so-called Sea Peoples are identical with Plato’s Atlanteans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_von_Christ

This thesis is not endorsed by the mainstream because Atlantis is deemed “fictional”.

Atlantis is a fictional island mentioned within an allegory on the hubris of nations in Plato’s works Timaeus and Critias, where it represents the antagonist naval power that besieges “Ancient Athens”, the pseudo-historic embodiment of Plato’s ideal state.

In the story, Athens was able to repel the Atlantean attack, unlike any other nation of the (western) known world, supposedly giving testament to the superiority of Plato’s concept of a state.

At the end of the story, Atlantis eventually falls out of favor with the gods and famously submerges into the Atlantic Ocean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis

Probably the only real point of agreement between the Wilhelm von Christ thesis and the current mainstream consensus is that the Sea Peoples were “seafaring raiders”.

The Sea Peoples were conjectured groups of seafaring raiders, usually thought to originate from either western Anatolia or from southern Europe, specifically from a region of the Aegean Sea.

They are conjectured to have sailed around the eastern Mediterranean and invaded Anatolia, Syria, Canaan, Cyprus, and Egypt toward the end of the Bronze Age.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

Battle of the Delta

According to the mainstream the Sea Peoples were active “seafaring raiders” for about 275 years between 1275 and 1000 BCE.

Collapse of the Bronze Age

Invasions, population movements and destruction during the collapse of the Bronze Age, c. 1200 BCE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

Ramesses III is believed to have reigned from March 1186 to April 1155 BC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesses_III

Ramesses III's mortuary

Coincidently, the Sea Peoples are eerily similar to the Vikings who were active seafaring raiders for about 273 years between 793 and 1066 AD.

The Viking Age is the period A.D. 793–1066 in European history, especially Northern European and Scandinavian history, following the Germanic Iron Age.

It is the period of history when Scandinavian Norsemen explored Europe by its seas and rivers for trade, raids and conquest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_Age

Viking expansion is the process by which the Vikings sailed most of the North Atlantic, reaching south to North Africa and east to Russia, Constantinople and the Middle East as looters, traders, colonists and mercenaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_expansion

The work of Wilhelm von Christ has been “repeated under varying perspectives” by other scholars.

Later, this thesis was repeated under varying perspectives by scholars and researchers such as Theodor Gomperz, Spyridon Marinatos, Jürgen Spanuth, John V. Luce, or Herwig Görgemanns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_von_Christ

Spyridon Marinatos, for example, suggested the Mycenaeans were the first Greeks.

Spyridon Nikolaou Marinatos (1901 – 1974) was a Greek archaeologist.

Marinatos began his career in Crete as director of the Heraklion Museum along with Georgia Andrea in 1929 where he met Sir Arthur Evans.

He conducted several excavations on Crete at Dreros, Arkalochori, Vathypetro and Gazi, all of which resulted in spectacular finds.

In 1937, he became director of the Antiquities service in Greece for the first time.

Shortly afterwards, he became professor at the University of Athens.

He turned his attention to the Mycenaeans next, regarding them as the first Greeks.

His most notable discovery was the site of Akrotiri, a Minoan port city on the island of Thera.

The city was destroyed by a massive eruption which buried it under ashes and pumice.
The tsunamis created by the eruption destroyed coastal settlements on Crete as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyridon_Marinatos

In the context of the Wilhelm von Christ thesis the work of Spyridon Marinatos implies the first Greeks were actually Atlanteans [aka Sea Peoples].

Mycenaean Greece refers to the last phase of the Bronze Age in Ancient Greece (c. 1600–1100 BCE).

It represents the first advanced civilization in mainland Greece, with its palatial states, urban organization, works of art and writing system.

Mycenaean Greece perished with the collapse of Bronze-Age culture in the eastern Mediterranean.

The decipherment of the Mycenaean Linear B script, a writing system adapted for the use of the Greek language of the Late Bronze Age, demonstrated the continuity of Greek speech from the 2nd millennium BC into the 8th century BC when a new script emerged.

In c. 1250 BC, the first wave of destruction has been witnessed in various centers of mainland Greece for reasons that cannot be identified by archaeologists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycenaeans

Mycenaean warfare hypothesis

This theory suggests that the Sea Peoples were populations from the city states of the Greek Mycenaean civilization, who destroyed each other in a disastrous series of conflicts lasting several decades.

There would have been few or no external invaders and just a few excursions outside the Greek-speaking part of the Aegean civilization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_peoples#Mycenaean_warfare_hypothesis

This line of reasoning is a mainstream heresy because it implies Atlantis was the original “cradle of Western civilization” i.e. not “Classical Greek culture”.

Classical Greek culture, especially philosophy, had a powerful influence on the Roman Empire, which carried a version of it to many parts of the Mediterranean Basin and Europe.

For this reason Classical Greece is generally considered to be the seminal culture which provided the foundation of modern Western culture and is considered as the cradle of Western civilization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece

The preferred mainstream narrative [amongst other things] suggests ship design did not evolve for about 2,000 years because the design of the Mycenaeans ships are [coincidently] similar to the Viking longships.

2000 years of shipping

Based on archaeological findings in the Middle East, in particular physical artifacts, textual references, inscriptions and wall paintings, it appears that Mycenaean Greeks achieved strong commercial and cultural interaction with most of the Bronze Age people living in this region: Canaanites, Kassites, Mitanni, Assyrians, and Egyptians.

The 14th century Uluburun shipwreck, off the coast of southern Anatolia, displays the established trade routes that supplied the Mycenaeans with all the raw materials and items that the economy of Mycenaean Greece needed, such as copper and tin for the production of bronze products.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycenaeans#Trade

Uluburun

The Uluburun Shipwreck is a Late Bronze Age shipwreck dated to the late 14th century BC, discovered close to the east shore of Uluburun (Grand Cape), and about 6 miles southeast of Kaş, in south-western Turkey.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uluburun_shipwreck

The snekkja (or snekke), meaning ‘thin and projecting,'[citation needed] was typically the smallest longship used in warfare and was classified as a ship with at least 20 rowing benches.

A typical snekkja might have a length of 17 m (56 feet), a width of 2.5 m (8.2 feet), and a draught of only 0.5 m (1.6 feet).

It would carry a crew of around 41 men (40 oarsmen and one cox).

Snekkjas were one of the most common types of ship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longship

Similarly, the preferred mainstream narrative prefers to suggest that the Mycenaean Linear B script is not connected to the [coincidently] similar Anglo-Saxon futhorc alphabet that first appeared in Viking Frisia [about] 2,000 years later.

Linear B

Linear B is a syllabic script that was used for writing Mycenaean Greek, the earliest attested form of Greek.

The script predates the Greek alphabet by several centuries.

The oldest Mycenaean writing dates to about 1450 BC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_B

Anglo-Saxon runes are runes used by the early Anglo-Saxons as an alphabet in their writing.

The characters are known collectively as the futhorc (or fuþorc), from the Old English sound values of the first six runes.

The futhorc was a development from the 24-character elder futhark.

Since the futhorc runes are thought to have first been used in Frisia before the Anglo-Saxon settlement of Britain, they have also been called Anglo-Frisian runes.

They were likely used from the 5th century onward, recording Old English and Old Frisian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_runes

Jürgen Spanuth extended Wilhelm von Christ’s hypothesis by suggesting the Atlanteans [aka Sea Peoples] originated in the North Sea i.e. they were North Sea Peoples.

Dr Jürgen Spanuth (1907-1998) was born in Austria and studied theology and archaeology at university.

He became pastor of Bordelum in Northern Germany.

His first book Das Entraselte Atlantis was published in 1953, following excavations near Heligoland.

It was later published in English and is now available on the Internet.

His basic thesis was that following a major catastrophe in the North Sea around 1250 BC, the Mediterranean experienced an invasion of Scandinavians.

Spanuth considered Basileia, the royal island of Atlantis, to have been located near Heligoland.

He produced a mass of evidence to support his views but found his book under severe attack by many academics, which, in general, had the support of the public.

Atlantipedia – An A-Z Guide To The Search For Plato’s Atlantis by Tony O’Connell
See: http://atlantipedia.ie/samples/spanuth-dr-jurgen/

Atlantis-The Mystery Unravelled – Jürgen Spanuth – 1956
http://www.americandeception.com/index.php?action=downloadpdf&photo=PDFsml_AD/Atlantis-The_Mystery_Unraveled-Jurgen_Spanuth-1956-226pgs-CIV.sml.pdf&id=308

Das Entraselte Atlantis – Jürgen Spanuth – 1953
http://www.germanvictims.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Spanuth-Juergen-Das-entraetselte-Atlantis-1953.pdf

The scholarly work of Jürgen Spanuth clearly upset the mainstream.

After being publicly labelled, among other things, a liar, Spanuth was forced to challenge his detractors in the courts.

After some six years he was vindicated when ten professors withdrew their plea, admitting that their arguments against the pastor were untenable.

Atlantipedia – An A-Z Guide To The Search For Plato’s Atlantis by Tony O’Connell
See: http://atlantipedia.ie/samples/spanuth-dr-jurgen/

There is no entry for Jürgen Spanuth in the English Wikipedia but further information [and a fairly weak debunking] is available from the German version via the Google translation facility.

Spanuth developed the idea that in the Platonic dialogues Timaeus and Critias mentioned island empire Atlantis was in the North Sea in the area of today’s island Helgoland located and is a political as religious center of the Nordic Bronze Age to look. This island is also identical to the King Island (Basileia) the Phaeacians from the tales of Homer, and the Atlanteans or Phaeacians were also Hyperboreer Greek mythology. Spanuth considers the entire space of the Nordic Bronze Age as equivalent to the continent of Atlantis, of which the sunken island between Helgoland and the Eider estuary was merely the center.

The sinking of the center of the Atlantic civilization is to Spanuth by the impact of comets and the thus allegedly associated eruption of Santorini come -Vulkans materialize. Various characters or events in the mythologies of the Middle East and Europe reflect his opinion contradicts such an event. So among the Greeks of the Phaeton myth, the Egyptians Sekhmet , in Syria as Anat , in the Avesta as Tistrya , at the Germans as Ragnarök . The impact point of the comet is the “depth Valley” (also ” Helgoland hole “called) before the mouth of the Eider , the Spanuth as the amber current” Eridanos identified “Greek mythology.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FJ%25C3%25BCrgen_Spanuth&edit-text=

Jürgen Spanuth mapped the movements of the Atlanteans [aka Sea Peoples aka North Sea Peoples] via sites containing Germanic Flange-Hilted swords.

North Sea People

Atlantis of the North – Jurgen Spanuth – English Translation: 1979
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Atlantis-North-Jurgen-Spanuth/dp/0283984953
http://www.amazon.com/Atlantis-North-Jurgen-Spanuth/dp/0283984953

Coincidently, the travels of the Atlanteans [aka Sea Peoples aka North Sea Peoples] are eerily similar to the Viking travels [about] 2,000 years later.

Travels of the Vikings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking

At this stage some independent observers are probably suffering from a sever attack of Déjà Vu Vikings and it seems entirely reasonable to consider whether the Machiavellian Monasteries deliberately corrupted the historical narrative by inserting a bogus replica of the Sea Peoples narrative [starting in 793 AD] into the The Academic Abyss.

Working backwards through the mainstream historical narrative we arrive at the Heinsohn Horizon in the 930s where the mainstream narrative falls into The Academic Abyss and degenerates into fiction, fantasy and fabrication for a period of 700 [phantom] years.

https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2015/07/01/the-heinsohn-horizon-the-academic-abyss/

I guess [again] it all depends upon how comfortable you are with coincidences.

FOOTNOTE
One of the important aspects of Jürgen Spanuth’s thesis [which is generally overlooked by the mainstream] is that Heligoland is a source of Native Copper.

Native copper is an uncombined form of copper which occurs as a natural mineral.

Copper is one of the few metallic elements to occur in native form, although it most commonly occurs in oxidized states and mixed with other elements.

Native copper was an important ore of copper in historic times and was used by pre-historic peoples.

Native copper occurs rarely as isometric cubic and octahedral crystals, but more typically as irregular masses and fracture fillings.

It has a reddish, orangish, and/or brownish color on fresh surfaces, but typically is weathered and coated with a green tarnish of copper(II) carbonate (also known as patina or verdigris).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_copper

Heligoland Copper

Bronze is an alloy consisting primarily of copper, commonly with about 12% tin and often with the addition of other metals (such as aluminium, manganese, nickel or zinc) and sometimes non-metals or metalloids such as arsenic, phosphorus or silicon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze

The clay is of a strong red colour, containing much oxide of iron, and with it so much carbonate of lime as to effervesce considerably with acids.

The limestone is in some parts formed of various marine remains, in others it is uniformly granular.

Through both these there are dispersed in various places deposits of copper ore in small quantities.

These consist of carbonate of copper, diffused through the earthy matters, and of crystallized masses of the same substance; and, more rarely, there are found lumps of red oxide with particles of grey ore and native copper.

Notice accompanying a Section of Heligoland, drawn up from the Communications of Lieutenants Dickson and Mac Culloch, of the Royal Engineers.
By John MacCulloch, M.D. F.L.S – Member of the Geological Society
http://trn.lyellcollection.org/content/s1-1/322.extract

Heligoland rock

The German Bight and the area around the island is known to have been inhabited since prehistoric times.

Flint tools have been recovered from the bottom of the sea surrounding Heligoland.

On the Oberland, prehistoric burial mounds were visible until the late 19th century and excavations showed skeletons and artefacts.

Moreover, prehistoric copper plates have been found under water near the island; those plates were almost certainly made on the Oberland.

In 697, Radbod, the last Frisian king, retreated to the then-single island after his defeat by the Franks – so it is written in the Life of Willebrord by Alcuin.

By 1231, the island was listed as the property of the Danish king Valdemar II.

Archaeological findings from the 12th to 14th century suggest the processing of copper ore on the island.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heligoland

Basileia

Atlantis-The Mystery Unravelled – Jürgen Spanuth – 1956
http://www.americandeception.com/index.php?action=downloadpdf&photo=PDFsml_AD/Atlantis-The_Mystery_Unraveled-Jurgen_Spanuth-1956-226pgs-CIV.sml.pdf&id=308

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7 Responses to Déjà Vu Vikings

  1. Tim,
    Atlantis? Unexpand the Atlantic Ocean so the Americas adjoin with Europe and Africa and I suspect this could be Atlantis, the disruption occurring suddenly and not as presently favoured, by slow plate tectonics. Looking westwards from Morocco one might believe that there used to be land there but now it’s sunk under the ocean. Ignatius Donnelly mentioned that the native Americans reckon their ancestors came from the East.

    But everyone assumes Atlantis is under the sea, which it isn’t, but reconstruct Pangea etc and perhaps we have found Atlantis.

    • malagabay says:

      It looks like there has been a lot stretching of the continental shelf in North West Europe… so subsidence is a possibility… especially if [for example] the North Sea is deflating/degassing – hence the disappearance of Doggerland…

      • Oh, I see your point – the continental shelf around England and the dogger bank have been assigned an Atlantean location.

        Mind you Mick Harper with his ideas on English history re the Anglo-Saxons etc, along with England makes me wonder whether the Anglo-Saxons were the Atlanteans in the past? Harper’s logic being that things now were the same as the past unless proven otherwise.

        Evolutionists would dismiss my comments as palpable nonsense, which is strange since their theories are based on the miracle of creation, whether short or long chronology. I wonder if the white race thus is the survivors from Atlantis? It seems to have a persistent arrogance in assuming its destiny to rule humanity, these days organised via the Green Blob and related NGO’s.

        These are muses, of course which I may or may not accept when data arrives to sink me theory.

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