P.N. Oak: Chips of Vedic Society

Chips of Vedic Society

According to P. N. Oak the “blundering” Academics in Aspic have constructed a false historical narrative that has “forgotten” there was once a Worldwide Vedic Culture.

It is also unknown that in the remote forgotten past the Hindus i.e. the Aryans had a world empire and that the world then spoke Sanskrit.

That is why most people in the world call themselves Aryans and speak Sanskritized languages like Latin and Persian.

To call European languages and others like Persian and Pashtu Indo-Aryan is a terminological monstrosity.

Because, if, according to blundering Western concepts Aryans spread all over the world, including India, from outside India, European languages and Persian and Pashtu should have been called Aryan languages and not Indo-Aryan.

Since those languages are all of Sanskritic origin they must be termed not Indo-Aryan but simply as Indian or Aryan or Sanskritic .

All those three terms mean the same thing.

Some Missing Chapters of World History – P. N. Oak – 2010 Edition
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Some-Missing-Chapters-World-History/dp/8188388270/
https://www.amazon.com/Some-Missing-Chapters-World-History/dp/B003DXOTRG/

https://ia800204.us.archive.org/0/items/EnglishBooksOfP.n.Oak/SomeMissingChapterOfWorldHistory_text.pdf

Pegasus Coins

It also appears that these “blundering” Academics in Aspic have conveniently “forgotten” that natural catastrophes fragmented this ancient Worldwide Vedic Culture into numerous survivor enclaves that contained Chips of Vedic Society [aka “diverse cults and communities”].

Chips of Vedic Society

Like the Vedic empire splitting into regional bits Vedic society too broke into diverse cults and communities.

Consequently their names are all Vedic Sanskrit.

Thus Syria is Sur, Assyria is Asur, Babylonia is Bahubalaniya, Mesopotamia is Mahishipattaniya etc. while Stoics were Staviks (people given to meditation) Essenese were devotees of Essan (i.e. Lord Shiva), Samaritans were Smartas (those whose lives were regulated by the Smritis), Sadduceans were Sadhujans i.e. monks, Malencians were Mlenchhas, Philistines were followers of the Vedic sage Pulast, Casseopeans were followers of sage Kashyap, Christians were Chrisnians i.e. followers of Chrisn etc. etc.

Some Missing Chapters of World History – P. N. Oak – 2010 Edition

Swastika Group

However, these “blundering” Academics in Aspic have a major problem because cultural artefacts continually contradict their carefully crafted historical narrative.

P. N. Oak provides a wonderful example of how “Western archaeological scholarship is absolutely on wrong tracks” when he notes the Academics in Aspic have “indifferently and ignoramically labelled” a temple mosaic from Corinth as a mere ‘Pastoral Scene.’

In the museum in Corinth (Greece) is a large temple mosaic of Lord Krishna, hung for display, depicting him playing a flute standing under a tree, with feet crossed and with cows grazing nearby.

That mosaic instead of being identified as that of Lord Krishna, has been indifferently and ignoramically labelled as a mere ‘Pastoral Scene.’

This tragically illustrates how Western archaeological scholarship is absolutely on wrong tracks.

Some Missing Chapters of World History – P. N. Oak – 2010 Edition

Krishna flute cows

Therefore, the mainstream historical narrative is a comic tragedy [if you don’t laugh you’ll cry] where the Academics in Aspic have been gainfully employed fabricating false subtitles [aka false historical narratives] that totally misrepresents the evidence.

This is not a translation

SubTitles

Unsurprisingly, some scholars have noticed there are serious problems with the subtitles.

120 years ago Thomas Wilson [Curator of the Department of Prehistoric Anthropology at the U.S. National Museum] noticed there was a serious problem with the Swastika Subtitles because they were either “erroneous” or [inexplicably] missing in the mainstream literature.

The Swastika
An English gentleman, versed in prehistoric archaeology, visited me in the summer of 1894, and during our conversation asked if we had the Swastika in America.

I answered, ” Yes,” and showed him two or three specimens of it.

He demanded if we had any literature on the subject.

I cited him De Mortillet, De Morgan, and Zmigrodzki, and he said, ” No, I mean English or American,”

I began a search which proved almost futile, as even the word Swastika did not appear in such works as Worcester’s or Webster’s dictionaries, the Encyclopaedic Dictionary, the Encyclopedia Britannica, Johnson’s Universal Cyclopedia, the People’s Cyclopaedia, nor Smith’s Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities, his Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, or his Classical Dictionary.

I also searched, with the same results, Mollett’s Dictionary of Art and Archaeology, Fairholt’s Dictionary of Terms in Art, “L’Art Gothique,” by Gonza, Perrot and Chipiez’s extensive histories of Art in Egypt, in Chaldea and Assyria, and in Phenicia; also “The Cross, Ancient and Modern,” by W. W, Blake, “The History of the Cross,” by John Ashton; and a reprint of a Dutch work by Wildener.

In the American Encyclopedia the description is erroneous, while all the Century Dictionary says is, ” Same as fylfot,” and ” Compare Crux Ansata and Gammadion.”

I thereupon concluded that this would be a good subject for presentation to the Smithsonian Institution for “diffusion of knowledge among men.”

The Swastika, The Earliest Known Symbol & Its Migrations – Thomas Wilson – 1896
https://archive.org/details/TheSwastika

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/098240347X/
https://www.amazon.com/dp/098240347X/
The Ancient Cross
British Swastika

Intriguingly, Thomas Wilson discovered Swastika Symbols span the globe.

Swastika Map

Migration of The Swastika

The question of the migration of the Swastika and of the objects on which it was marked, which furnished its only means of transportation, remains to be considered.

It is proposed to examine, in a cursory manner perhaps, not only the migration of the Swastika itself, but some of these objects, spindle whorls especially, with a view to discover by similarity or peculiarity of form or decoration any relationship they may have had with each other when found in distant countries and used by different peoples.

Thus, we may be able to open the way to a consideration of the question whether this similarity of Swastikas or other decorations, or of the objects on which they were placed, resulted from the migration of or contact or communication between distant peoples, or was it accidental and the result of independent discoveries and duplicate inventions – an evidence of the parallelism of human thought?

The Swastika, The Earliest Known Symbol & Its Migrations – Thomas Wilson – 1896

Being a Gradualist, Thomas Wilson concluded “the probabilities of the migration of the Swastika to America from the Old World is infinitely greater than that it was an independent invention”.

Conclusion

The argument in this paper on the migration of arts or symbols, and with them of peoples in prehistoric times, is not intended to be exhaustive.

At best it is only suggestive.

There is no direct evidence available by which the migration of symbols, arts, or peoples in prehistoric times can be proved, because the events are beyond the pale of history.

Therefore we are, everybody is, driven to the secondary evidence of the similarity of conditions and
products, and we can only subject them to our reason and at last determine the truth from the probabilities.

In proportion as the probabilities of migration increase, it more nearly becomes a demonstrated fact.

It appears to the author that the probabilities of the migration of the Swastika to America from the Old World is infinitely greater than that it was an independent invention.

The Swastika is found in America in such widely separated places, among such different civilizations, as much separated by time as by space, that if we have to depend on the theory of separate inventions to explain its introduction into America we must also depend upon the same theory for its introduction into the widely separated parts of America.

The Swastika of the ancient mound builders of Ohio and Tennessee is similar in every respect, except material, to that of the modern Navajo and Pueblo Indian.

Yet the Swastikas of Mississippi and Tennessee belong to the oldest civilization we know in America, while the Navajo and Pueblo Swastikas were made by men still living.

A consideration of the conditions bring out these two curious facts:

(1) That the Swastika had an existence in America prior to any historic knowledge we have of communication between the two hemispheres; but

(2) we find it continued in America and used at the present day, while the knowledge of it has long since died out in Europe.

The author is not unaware of the new theories concerning the parallelism of human development by which it is contended that absolute uniformity of man’s thoughts and actions, aims and methods, is produced when he is in the same degree of development, no matter in what country or in what epoch he lives.

This theory has been pushed until it has been said, nothing but geographical environment seems to
modify the monotonous sameness of man’s creations.

The author does not accept this theory, yet he does not hero controvert it.

It maybe true to a certain extent, but it surely has its limitations, and it is only applicable under special conditions.

As a general proposition, it might apply to races and peoples but not to individuals.

If it builds on the hereditary human instincts, it does not take into account the will, energy, and reasoning powers of man.

Most of all, it leaves out the egoism of man and his selfish desire for power, improvement, and happiness, and all their effects, through the individual, on human progress.

In the author’s opinion the progress of peoples through consecutive stages of civilization is entirely compatible with his belief that knowledge of specific objects, the uses of material things, the performance of certain rites, the playing of certain games, the possession of certain myths and traditions, and the carrying on of certain industries, passed from one country to another by migration of their peoples, or by contact or communication between them; and that the knowledge, by separate peoples, of the same things, within reasonable bounds of similarity of action and purpose, and with corresponding difficulty of performance, may -well be treated as evidence of such migration, contact, or communication.

Sir John Lubbock expresses the author’s belief when he says, “There can be no doubt but that man originally crept over the earth’s surface, little by little, year by year, just, for instance, as the weeds of Europe are now gradually but surely creeping over the surface of Australia.”

The word migration has been used by the author in any sense that permitted the people, or any number thereof, to pass from one country to another country, or from one section of a country to another section of the same country, by any means or in any numbers as they pleased or could.

The theory (in opposition to the foregoing) is growing in the United States that any similarity of culture between the two hemispheres is held to be proof of migration of peoples.

It appears to the author that these schools both run to excess in propagating their respective theories, and that the true condition of affairs lies midway between them.

That is to say, there was certain communication between the two hemispheres, as indicated by the similarities in culture and industry, the objects of which could scarcely have been the result of independent invention; while there are too many dissimilar arts, habits, customs, and modes of life belonging to one hemisphere only, not common to both, to permit us to say there was continuous communication between them.

These dissimilarities were inventions of each hemisphere independent of the other.

An illustration of the migration to America is the culture of Greece.

“We know that Greek art and architecture enter into and form an important part of the culture of Americans of the present day; yet the people of America are not Greek, nor do they possess any considerable share of Greek culture or civilization.

They have none of the blood of the Greeks, nor their physical traits, nor their manners, habits, customs, dress, religion, nor, indeed, anything except their sculpture and architecture.

Now, there was undoubtedly communication between the two countries in so far as pertains to art and architecture; but it is equally true that there has been no migration of the other elements of civilization mentioned.

The same thing may be true with regard to the migrations of prehistoric civilization.

There may have been communication between the countries by which such objects as the polished stone hatchet, the bow and arrow, the leaf-shaped implement, chipped arrow- and spear beads, scrapers, spindle- whorls, the arts of pottery making, of weaving, of drilling and sawing stone, etc., passed from one to the other, and the same of the Swastika; yet these may all have been brought over in sporadic and isolated cases, importing simply the germ of their knowledge, leaving the industry to be independently worked out on this side.

Certain manifestations of culture, dissimilar to those of the Old World, are found in America; we have the rude notched ax, the grooved ax, stemmed scraper, perforator, mortar and pestle, pipes, tubes, the ceremonial objects which are found here in such infinite varieties of shape and form, the metate, the painted pottery, etc., all of which belong to the American Indian civilization, but have no prototype in the prehistoric Old World.

These things were never brought over by migration or otherwise.

They are indigenous to America.

Objects common to both hemispheres exist in such numbers, of such infinite detail and difficulty of manufacture, that the probabilities of their migration or passage from one country to another is infinitely greater than that they were the result of independent invention.

These common objects are not restricted to isolated cases.

They are great in number and extensive in area.

They have been the common tools and utensils such as might have belonged to every man, and no reason is known why they might not have been used by, and so represent, the millions of prehistoric individuals in either hemisphere.

This great number of correspondences between the two hemispheres, and their similarity as to means and results is good evidence of migration, contact, or communication between the peoples; while the extent to which the common industries were carried in the two continents, their delicacy and difficulty of operation, completes the proof and forces conviction.

It is not to be understood in the few foregoing illustrations that the number is thereby exhausted, or that all have been noted which are within the knowledge of the author.

These have been cited as illustrative of the proposition and indicating possibilities of the argument.

If a completed argument in favor of prehistoric communication should be prepared, it would present many other illustrations.

These could be found, not only among the objects of industry, utensils, etc., but in the modes of manufacture and of use which, owing to their number and the extent of territory which they cover, and the difficulty of accomplishment, would add force to the argument.

The Swastika, The Earliest Known Symbol & Its Migrations – Thomas Wilson – 1896

What Thomas Wilson didn’t consider is that continents and island arcs catastrophically migrated with their resident human populations on an inflating Earth.

Pacific Ocean

See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2016/01/22/parting-pacific-pottery/

Migration

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_human_migration

Thomas Wilson wasn’t the first scholar to recognise global similarities.

In 1882 Ignatius Donnelly documented trans-Atlantic similarities in language and architecture.

Trans-Atlantic Languages

https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2016/02/22/ignatius-donnelly-trans-atlantic-languages/

Trans-Atlantic Architecture

See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2016/02/25/ignatius-donnelly-trans-atlantic-architecture/

Thomas Wilson wasn’t the last scholar to recognise global similarities.

Round Towers

See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2016/03/04/henry-obrien-and-the-round-towers/
See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2016/02/27/the-heinsohn-horizon-and-the-round-towers/

ancient-towers-at-bhaugulpore

See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2016/04/02/william-betham-round-towers-resolved-origins/

The Phoenician Origin of Britons, Scots & Anglo-Saxons -1924

See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2016/07/21/catastrophic-english-india-in-britain/

And now the “blundering” Academics in Aspic have to contend with the DNA evidence that suggests Indian DNA arrived in Australia about 141 generations ago i.e. in the age of the Sea Peoples around 1,227 BCE.

India-Australia

Much more surprising was the discovery of the more recent genetic mix with people from India, from which Australian Aborigines derive an estimated 11% of their DNA.

Computer simulations estimated that the first interbreeding occurred 141 generations ago; at roughly 30 years per generation this dates back 4,230 years.

This date is significant because it also marks the first appearance of both microliths and dingoes in Australia.

Microliths are fine stone tools found in archaeological sites all around the world, and it has been reasoned for some time that the dingo, a subspecies of the Indian grey wolf, is not native to Australia where all indigenous mammals are marsupials.

This period of history coincides with the Indus Valley Civilization, which was at its height in northwest India between 2600 and 1900 BC.

Indians and Australian Aborigines interbred 4,200 years ago, sharing DNA (and Dingoes)
Tom Martinscroft

http://www.abroadintheyard.com/indians-australian-aborigines-interbred-4200-years-ago-sharing-dna-and-dingoes/

A familial generation is a group of living beings constituting a single step in the line of descent from an ancestor.

In developed nations the average familial generation length is in the high 20s and has even reached 30 years in some nations.
….
Conversely, generation length has changed little and remains in the low 20s in less developed nations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation

See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2016/07/02/catastrophic-english-r-is-for-roma/

The term Sea Peoples describes a theory in Egyptology that a confederation of seafaring raiders attacked Ancient Egypt prior to the Bronze Age Collapse.

sea-peoples-timeline

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_of_the_Sea

See: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2016/07/19/catastrophic-english-out-of-india/

Perhaps it’s time to start correcting the historical sub-titles.

SubTitle Rant

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13 Responses to P.N. Oak: Chips of Vedic Society

  1. This raises an important issue – the location of the tall round towers in accurate lat/long and plotting them on a global geological map. Same with petroglyphs that Peratt et al collected, but which is inaccessible at present. Equally ancient Hindu structures/mansions need to be accurately fixed in a GIS system and then plotted on a geology map. Given the Pacific opening event is the termination of the Bronze Age, the Velikovsky event, Oak’s ancient Hindu war, then this disruption of the original Hindu world should be shown in the geology, iff the geology is right.

    • malagabay says:

      Louis,
      Unscrambling the [folded, uplifted, metamorphic and stretched] geologic sequence of events is a challenge 🙂

      There is plenty of evidence suggesting there have been some really dramatic changes.

      The Eratosthenes’ map might be a key to understanding the maritime routes from India to the British Isles circa 1,250 BCE.

      But getting from Eratosthenes to NOW blows away the concept of Geological Time and a lot of mainstream geological nonsense:

      I look forward to reading about your ideas [in dues course]…

      • Tim,

        First step is to drop sea levels down to the level of the edge of the continental shelfs. This will undrown the land masses and make it easier for people to travel on land rather than sailing on the oceans.

        The trick is to figure out when that happened. Roman era Alexandria sunk below the sea so I suspect the latest sea level rise occurred after the Muslims etc invaded India and Indonesia by horse/camel. I cannot imagine Bedouin cameleers as a sea faring lot.

        So maybe the last rise in SL occurred during the LIA ? Heaps of tsunamis occurred then, plus the extinction of the moas.

        A problem is having Muslims invading India, not affecting countries between India and Indonesia, so a land route seems necessary.

        Then that puts Pleistocene event as the RTE.

        Population dispersion on the basis of an expanding earth model means the Velikovsky event? Termination of the Bronze Age?

        And once my brain implodes I will fiddle with the model railway as a welcome distraction. 🙂

  2. PeterMG says:

    This is all fascinating stuff. Is anyone in a position to put together or attempt a dumb persons chronology yet, or are there still too many unknowns. I’m certainly struggling to order everything in my head, need a diagram.

    I’m still amazed at how we humans could forget what happened such a relatively short time ago, unless so the population was wiped out and the survivors convinced themselves that something else altogether happened. Or is it more that we have been manipulated by the unscrupulous (religion)

    • Religion seems the human response to those past catastrophes.

      http://www.planetamnesia.com

    • THX1138 says:

      Here’s a timeline I found online. I can’t vouch for its accuracy, and if I recall from a while ago, I disagreed with several things, but it is quite an attempt.

      Saturnian Cosmology
      “Welcome to Jno Cook’s interpretation of the amazing cosmic history of Saturn, planet Earth and the Solar system.”

      http://www.tiki-toki.com/timeline/entry/250694/Saturnian-Cosmology/#vars!date=3139720362%20BC-08-02_14:07:54!

      • Unfortunately it is based on the standard model that assumes an earth creation ~4 billion years ago. The trap is the concept of time and if you use a T=0 idea, creation, then all sorts of difficulties arise. I prefer to rank events in order of occurrence without assigning a numerical date to them.

      • tempestnut says:

        Louis I see what you mean about this timeline. Its more about trying to fit events into a given timeline that is assumed to be correct rather than list events in order that they may have happened.

        Given the electrical nature of the universe it is more than ever obvious that any radio dating could be deeply flawed, and I think there is ample evidence that carbon dating is flawed. Perhaps carbon dating can give us indications but the further back in time the more flawed it becomes.

    • A difficult book to get hold of, actually, and expensive to boot. Bailie’s theory is on the mark but the chronology is the rubbery bit – especially when tree-rings are pattern matched. But 6th century CE or thereabouts seems about right when compared with Libby’s Japanese Cedar chronology.

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